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Re Punishment. How will you explain the sharp uptick in suicides..

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Ross, I thought it was so good that felt sure someone else would have posted it before me. It's 2 weeks old already.

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

TinyCO2. Sorry now I have read back I see that you have already flagged up this. Sorry.

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

This is a very thoughtful paper by an academic based on sound research.

https://quillette.com/2018/08/03/britains-populist-revolt/

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Re punishment. It's time we revisited solitary confinement and other more novel forms of punishment. The last time it was tried was a disaster but mostly because building stabdards were incapable of producing humane single sells. The biggest cost/danger/failure in prisons is the mobile nature of prisoners. They get to socialise, plot, collect and exchange banned stuff, fight, abuse and generally make guarding impossible. The scariest part of the prison is the other prisoners, which encourages the most violent to continue their ways. We have the 'university of crime' and 'hate preachers'. So why not build new prisons with cells that supply every daily need bar food, hygiene supplies and laundry? Everything from excercise to limited contact with selected contacts can be done from inside the cell. Addicts can be quickly weaned off their drugs, including nicotine. The contact with guards would be limited to exchanges of food etc through an interlocked hatch. Food would be boring and suitable for their weight. There could be a daily routine of soothing music, educational lessons and harmless tv in the evenings. No games, no violent movies, no choice. Each cell would have cctv and damage to the cell would automatically lengthen their sentence. Punishment wouldn't be dangerous, just very tedious.

For white collar crime the punishment should be physical work based punishment. Scraping chewing gum off pavements would be a good start. Litter picking, mopping floors, basically anything physically unpleasant. Fines should also reflect the wealth of the criminal and include money transfered to relatives and friends. Their evenings should be the same as the violent offenders.

Stop and search should become very common. To make it 'fair' it should include all colours and wealth of person selected. Not only should it be to find weapons but it should target rich drug users (bankers, BBC staff, celebs), who should be heavily fined with fines rising by substance found/tested positive and past episodes. At a certain point the fines become a percetage of their net worth , ie start rocketing up. Use the cash cows to fund rehab and policing.

What do you think?

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:05 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

TinyCO2 at 11.53pm yesterday - thanks for the link to the piece by Matthew Goodwin. I think he comes to close to nailing it, and it certainly sums up much of what I think regarding the failure of the political class to understand what is happening in our country, and the failure of their response to the Brexit vote.

I recommend it to one and all, even (especially?) to those who might disagree. I think it's thought-provoking.

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Aug 18, 2018 at 8:26 AM | Supertroll

It would be sensible if he wore something more than a cricketer's box for self preservation.

I wish him well if he intends to bring common sense to a Country governed by Religious and Military Extremists.

He will have to work on co-operating with Trump, and can't expect Trump to learn the Rules of Cricket. To get their partnership off to a good start, he could explain to Trump why this is funny:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVTpX7LdZQ

Aug 18, 2018 at 9:35 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

gc and others (and me), please stop fannig the flames. We're all on a scale of left to right.

Aug 18, 2018 at 9:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Aug 18, 2018 at 1:37 AM | Robert Swan
Aug 18, 2018 at 7:19 AM | Supertroll

I think you both confirm why I support the Death Penalty for premeditated murder, fairly safe in the knowledge it is not going to happen in the UK.

Offering the victims families the chance to press the deathly button, has always seemed to be one logical solution to a "civilised" society having to designate an employee "The Executioner". It also offers retribution and closure to those who have to cope with the consequences of the crime.

Presumably Pcar is seeking the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner based on the evidence of his personally fabricated evidence and false accusations. There is little to separate him from the Political Extremists of Climate Science, when it comes to honest debate.

Aug 18, 2018 at 9:14 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

GolfCharlie Aug 18, 2018 at 12:09am
Given the fate of his predecessors, 'silly mid on' might be a better description of his position.

Aug 18, 2018 at 8:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

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