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AK, but I'm an atheist so neither book matters to me. The very painfulness of isolation (and it wouldn't be 100%) is the deterent from reoffending. Isn't it more barbaric to allow prisoners to prey upon each other? I'd have no problem with long term prisoners choosing execution. To be a deterent punishment has to hurt. If we are too squeamish to physically hurt people then we should use other forms of pain. After all, many pensioners get worse treatment. A TV presenter may not be the same as company but in most cases it is enough.

gc, one of the greatest costs of prisons is the efforts they go to stop prisoners fighting each other and the guards. A lot of the problems we currently pay for would vanish. Sentences could potentially be reduced. Those coming out would have been forced (by boredom if nothing else) to learn something useful.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/battery-that-runs-on-rust-offers-boost-to-electric-cars-bscqttqjk

The only comment says
Yet another press release regurgitated without digestion

Today the Times Personal Finance page has a page long article "Play a part in the electric car revolution"

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:24 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

11.52am. Good one EM. Made me smile.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Tiny. I have debated these issues since I was in grammar school, and until I retired. They are issues for which there are no right answers. You are concerned with punishment (so Old Testament) whereas, I have come to believe that our main motivation should be our protection (keeping those guilty away from us). Over the years I have come to believe some crimes do merit the death penalty - deliberate murder of police and prison officers, murder of children (although I have difficulty in deciding an age limit) and some others. We are a social species - solitary confinement for no other reason than punishment is, in my view, barbaric. For those with long sentences, it would be more humane to kill them than to drive them insane by depriving them of human contact. I have spoken to long term inmates undertaking work placement toward the end of long sentences - they were broken and as far as I knew, had not endured significant solitary confinement. Our society is supposed to be based upon New Testament principles, not Old.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Tesla sues Ontario govt cos they cancelled the $Can14K rebate programme
"discrimination" they shout , cos the scheme still applies to manufacturers of cheaper vehicles

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:14 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

EM You never turn up an opportunity to trivilise a serious subject be it the death penalty or global warming.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Elon Musk/Tesla seem to be losing the plot:

"Tesla investors spooked by revelations in emotional interview"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45218935

"Tesla shares have plunged after founder Elon Musk revealed to the New York Times he works "120 hour weeks" and takes sedatives.

In the interview, Mr Musk also said he was not "on weed" when he controversially tweeted about taking the company private.

After the comments from Mr Musk, shares were down 8.8%.

The share drop was encouraged by a UBS note predicting Tesla's Model 3 will lose $6,000 per vehicle, as costs soar."

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Re Prison, The concept of hard labour and public service should be restored. The prisoners will then be too tired to riot and we may have clean streets and open places. Government enterprises should employ released prisoner giving them regular paid work and training instead of just dumping them back on the streets to commit more crime. All prisons should be drug free this must be possible to achieve with the right regime. Addicts should be treated as victims not criminal and give effective chances to get off the drugs. It's not rocket science. It may be expensive to start but would be cheaper in the long run and we would all be safer. Targeted stop and search with zero tolerance of those carrying knives, guns and acid without good reason should be carried out and punitive punishment applied.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

You all have the wrong focus on capital punishment.

Viewing capital punishment as vengeance, retribution or deterrence ignores its fundamental utility.

Carry out a painless, stress free execution in a hospital and harvest the organs for transplants. Think how many lives a single executed criminal might save.

If there are not enough murderers to meet transplant demand, society could extend the death penalty to rape, tax evasion, parking on double yellow lines, voting Labour.

Aug 18, 2018 at 11:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Aug 18, 2018 at 10:05 AM | TinyCO2

The Victorians built better prisons on the assumption that with one man to a cell, the isolation would help them self improve.

I do not know what the longest prison sentences were back then,, as the more serious crimes resulted in the Death Penalty, or Deportation.

There is no point keeping someone in a prison system that costs about as much as Eton per person, if they are to emerge without a chance of NOT reoffending. Making prison a punishment is easy (subject to Human Rights etc) but making it a place of genuine reform is the difficult one.

In terms of "Equality", there should be no difference initially, between the treatment of white collar criminals and violent offenders and persistent offenders. Clearly this is impractical, and not actually economic. Maximum Security Prisons are far more expensive to build and run than Open Prisons.

Aug 18, 2018 at 11:45 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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