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SandyS - I'll take the liberty of starting a discussion thread and copying your comment there.

Dec 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM | Registered CommenterMartin A

Martin A
As a resident in France I suspect that like me you'll have theories as to why the death toll om French roads is so high. To an expat the standard of driving is pretty poor.

My theories are
1. They have to be the car in front, which means passing at dangerous points in the road
2. They follow too close behind, which makes 1 even more dangerous
3. Tree lined roads.
4. Drink driving
5. Toll Motorways cause the RN and departmental roads to be busier than they might otherwise be.

stewgreen
I can only speak from experience, and I haven't seen any abuse exchanged between cyclists and other road users. .In fact the reverse, on several occasions I've stopped my bike to look at something in the fields, see what the text was, have 5 minutes breather and have a car/tractor stop and ask if I was OK. On Sunday I was having a drink and chocolate biscuit in a bus shelter and someone came out of their house to check I was OK. So yes I do think cyclists and motorists co-exist better here.

The only time I can remember a car passing me then turning down a side road in front of me in a single action was by a British registered car (probably untaxed and with no MOT). Perhaps that's why I remember it.

Cycling has been a leisure activity in France on Sundays, Wednesdays (round here anyway) and Jours fériés. Of course in rural France cyclists are just one of many hazards.

Dec 6, 2016 at 8:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Clipe & ACK (if you are lurking nearby)

living on the South Downs, I can confirm that the climate here is not appropriate as a Tomatosphere, without manmade greenhouse assistance. 1976 was a bumper year for juicy sun ripened tomatoes, but by late summer of 1977 it was only a bumper season for making green tomato chutney, out of unripened fruit.

We have all been assured of greenhouse gas assistance in growing tomatoes outside for this century, but this has failed to materialise in vast tomato crops.

If you want to grow tomatoes outside successfully, I recommend you pick cherry tomatoes. The cherries ripen more easily into juicy low hanging fruit, for easier picking.

Dec 6, 2016 at 12:21 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@Pcar

I'll defer to golf charlie's expertise on making hay with the green-blob's newly discovered tomatosphere.

Dec 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

@clipe,

What war?

No war I'm in - only debate of views, beliefs and opinions.

Plus injecting some humour :)

P

Dec 5, 2016 at 11:03 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:45 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

" Suggests something about ACK's own thoughts on self-worth"

Leave me out of this war, Pcar. Not interested.

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:55 PM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

@clipe

I even get "likes" for my humour.
Cheers ACK
Dec 5, 2016 at 8:05 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

That made me laugh too. Suggests something about ACK's own thoughts on self-worth.

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:45 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

@stewgreen,

Did you do a screen-grab?

" Anarchy4theUK
4h ago
This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted"

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:38 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

I even get "likes" for my humour.
Cheers ACK
Dec 5, 2016 at 8:05 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

"Tomatosphere"

That made me laugh.

It has a ring to it - considering some Lewticular players.

Let's hope it catches on.

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:31 PM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

SandyS

it might well be the particular mix of urban and rural in my neck of the woods and the mostly poor trunk road infrastructure - but in one episode I followed one group (10/12? I didn't count) of Saturday morning cyclists back in the summer - they held me up for over 20 minutes along wide lanes on Salisbury Plain I deliberately kept a fair distance back, in a higher gear / low rpm and they kept a low, dawdling pedal rhythm and regularly scowled back at me - I got the very distinct impression that they resented my intrusion onto "their" bit of road.

It seems pretty common for particularly weekend cyclists around the lanes seem to appear sour and resentful of any other traffic. I get to hear about altercations with cyclists too regularly from too diverse a set of drivers for it imho - to be simple reaction to me in a van....

Dec 5, 2016 at 10:28 PM | Registered Commentertomo

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