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What did it do to house prices, though?

Oct 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Apparently ancient climate change made humans more intelligent

Worrying about non-existent man-made climate change made modern climate scientists more stupid.

Oct 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

@jamesp I know Bish prefers to stay on topic with Climate ..and save other stuff for other websites, but in general
- an extraordinary claim needs extraordinary evidence
- Winning in a US court pays huge damages, so to say "no one can afford money to gather evidence against big corps" seems implausible
- shouting "conspiracy" is a lazy way of arguing. Conspiracy theories must be backed up with firm evidence
- truth/perspective & context needs to be applied for all arguments

Oct 1, 2014 at 3:43 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen


"We can PROVE the case for individual vaccines"

But not the longer-term effects, which are rarely explored. E.g. there has been a huge increase in allergies, food intolerances and bowel problems like Crohn's disease in the last few decades, but I imagine that funding to explore the likelihood of a link would be very hard to find, unless you included autism, when it would be next to impossible!

Oct 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp


"Vaccination for smallpox started earlier than the first 50 years of the last century"

I was referring to measles. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Oct 1, 2014 at 2:25 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Missing £1.8 billion collected from electric bills to fund the Carbon Reduction Target
Today's You and Yours began with a story of how since the last Labour gov the Big6 have collected £5.4billion to pay for CRT measures to get us to use less carbon insulation promotion/subsidy etc ..but they only spent £3,6billion ..there is no official info about what happened to the difference.
..Of course they got some green org bod on "Of course it's no use giving the money to energy corps as they have no incentive to reduce carbon, the money should go to Local Authorities or Local charities *" ..* is that codeword for local green NGOs ?
- anyway is it value ? 23.4 million homes in UK so £3,600m/23.4m so they spent £154/household and collected £231 how much did your household reduce CO2 as a result of the £154 spent on it ? never mind the missing £77

Oct 1, 2014 at 2:21 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

The difference between vaccine case and CO2 reduction case
We can PROVE the case for individual vaccines based on properly validated science *, but that cannot be said for CO2 reduction measures as there is no properly validated science which predicts how reductions in CO2 affect real world climate.
Basically we are just guessing. But the alarmists big guess is that there is some kind of tipping point. (My guess is if you'd pressed for a number 18 years ago they would have given you a number much lower than today's actual value)

* (..note certain experimental vaccines for Africa did not stand up to experiment and were withdrawn)

Oct 1, 2014 at 2:10 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Vaccination for smallpox started earlier than the first 50 years of the last century

"The widespread use of variolation in a few countries, notably Great Britain, its North American colonies, and China, somewhat reduced the impact of smallpox among the wealthy classes during the latter part of the 18th century, but a real reduction in its incidence did not occur until vaccination became a common practice toward the end of the 19th century. Improved vaccines and the practice of re-vaccination led to a substantial reduction in cases in Europe and North America, but smallpox remained almost unchecked everywhere else in the world. In the United States and South Africa a much milder form of smallpox, variola minor, was recognized just before the close of the 19th century. By the mid-20th century variola minor occurred along with variola major, in varying proportions, in many parts of Africa. Patients with variola minor experience only a mild systemic illness, are often ambulant throughout the course of the disease, and are therefore able to more easily spread disease. Infection with v. minor induces immunity against the more deadly variola major form. Thus as v. minor spread all over the USA, into Canada, the South American countries and Great Britain it became the dominant form of smallpox, further reducing mortality rates."

In case you need reminding we're in the 21st century.

"Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century. As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year."

Other improvments have helped but we can still see how easily chicken pox spreads without vaccination. I would not have liked to catch even the milder form of smallpox.

Oct 1, 2014 at 1:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2


Indeed. Vaccines have taken the credit for widespread reductions in mortality that occurred naturally, through improved hygiene, diet and sanitation. Smallpox was eradicated by increased knowledge of isolation and barrier nursing, not by vaccination, which only applied to 10% of the world's population (and some of whom it killed). The mortality from measles decreased by 97% in the first 50 years of the last century, before a vaccine was introduced. Now we have MMR, mothers who received it do not pass on the necessary antibodies, increasing the risk for babies too young to have the vaccine. The same applies to whooping cough, to such an extent that mothers are encouraged to have an extra jab while pregnant (link).

The government website contains the following helpful advice about MMR:
"Women should not become pregnant for 28 days following the receipt of the vaccine."
Yeah, right.

Oct 1, 2014 at 12:49 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp


The autism debate was polluted by politicians' behaviour, including banning single vaccines

Oct 1, 2014 at 12:15 PM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

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