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A story on BBC Business news page
\\ Business Live: Greenpeace blockades VW offices
The campaign group blockades VW's UK headquarters in protest at the diesel emissions scandal.//

Aug 20, 2018 at 10:11 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

@Mark This is the key line
"Australia remains on track to meet its Paris climate accord commitments, despite the change in policy."

If Australia was pulling out of Paris this would be a big deal
.. but as Ex-PM Tony Abbott says if The US is out of Paris, then that changes the question about whether others should stick to their targets.

Aug 20, 2018 at 10:05 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Actually Mark I view this more as a continuation of an ongoing Australian politics story that incidentally concerns emissions reductions than a climate change story. It's a wonder it got onto the front page.

Aug 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

The BBC article has already been relegated from the front page of the BBC website to the Australia page. Can't have the public learning that not everyone follows the gospel, can we?

Aug 20, 2018 at 9:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

GolfCharlie
"long, long ago my professional qualifications took me to Norwich where I spent "quite a few" days but never a single night! I have not been back, so cannot confirm whether evidence of my work is still present.

I remain at liberty, but unable to explain why/what I was doing, but it did involve an understanding of how well the Victorians designed and built their prisons".

Are you working up a script for a Channel 5 potboiler and are trying it out on us first?

Aug 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

"Malcolm Turnbull: Under-pressure Australia PM drops climate policy"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45242806

"Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says his government has abandoned plans to set an emissions reduction target in legislation.

Mr Turnbull's U-turn alters a key plank of his signature energy policy, and follows a revolt by conservative MPs within his government.

It comes amid media reports that Mr Turnbull could face a leadership challenge if the issue is not resolved.

Mr Turnbull said the climate policy was not supported by all of his colleagues.

"In politics you have to focus on what you can deliver," Mr Turnbull told reporters on Monday.

The original commitment would have set in legislation Australia's pledge for a 26% cut in emissions, based on 2005 levels, by 2030."

It's good to see that Britain's commitment to leading the world (so that others will follow) is making all the difference...

Aug 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

"In both situations, what you really care about is extremes, but the unthinking number crunchers just love to puree the data down to averages."

Aug 20, 2018 at 2:56 AM | Robert Swan

The media and public adore extremes, as they prove their point, whilst ignoring the vast majority of routine (boring) stuff that occurs all the time. Climate Scientists and the media love to report that an occurrence was Unprecedented, when historical records, living history, dusty old books etc, confirm it was an extreme event, that had occurred before.

"The Law" is a classic example in mature democracies. Complicated evidence has to be processed into a binary decision, Guilty or Not Guilty, whilst Lawyers for Defence and Prosecution are trying to obfuscate and cast doubt on each others crucial points, to ensure that their particular arguments prove the unprecedented nature and impossibility of arriving at a Yes v No decision, ie cast sufficient doubt

Your Time Zone and use of the words Felon and Felony suggest that you are not used to commenting on UK Law, but the same prinicples apply. I referred to Socrates. The vast majority had no intention of him being sentenced to death, but a binary decision was required. My recollection was that he achieved what he wanted.

I am in favour of the Death Sentence in the UK, but have no realistic expectation of its return. I appreciate the validity of most counter arguments.

Arguments based on "moral superiority" may be made by those claiming to be morally superior, even if they lack corroborating evidence, and actually present conflicting evidence of their own morality.

Aug 20, 2018 at 8:02 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

golf charlie:

The problem with opinion surveys is that they are designed to produce the result required by the person that paid for them.

In this case it's more like the dodgy global warming maths. Two people responding to the survey: one alternates "strongly agree", "strongly disagree"; the other alternates "strongly disagree", "strongly agree". They couldn't be in stronger disagreement with each other on every point, yet end up (I presume) with the same scores.

Similarly, picture the Earth if its day slowed down to be the same as its year -- the one face always facing the Sun, the other face never seeing it. Global mean temperature wouldn't differ very much from ours, yet not much of the world would support human life.

In both situations, what you really care about is extremes, but the unthinking number crunchers just love to puree the data down to averages.

Aug 20, 2018 at 2:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobert Swan

" ... but it was quite revealing as to which of you have a stick up your arse."

Aug 19, 2018 at 11:18 PM | Entropic man

Was that one of the questions, or was there some data/ID collection link, behind your posting of the survey?

It seems a bit STASI/KGB to me, that you can make such a diagnosis from a few numbers posted here.

Haven't you just shoved a stick further up the incredible arse of Climate Science?

"But it's ridiculous. It's not meaningful to reduce the umpteen dimensions represented by the questions to single numbers. It's easy to see that two people of tremendously different views could end up with the same scores."
Aug 20, 2018 at 12:19 AM | Robert Swan

The problem with opinion surveys is that they are designed to produce the result required by the person that paid for them.

Aug 20, 2018 at 1:14 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Ok, that's enough philosophising about the death penalty.

I've seen the Political Compass before, but this is the first time I've actually answered the questions.

Economic Left/Right 1.5; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -3.13

But it's ridiculous. It's not meaningful to reduce the umpteen dimensions represented by the questions to single numbers. It's easy to see that two people of tremendously different views could end up with the same scores.

As EM said, it's a bit of fun. Kling's take is more serious, but I think it helps to consider that someone's different view on some issue is because they might be favouring egalite when you are favouring liberte. Such understanding might even promote a bit of fraternite.

Aug 20, 2018 at 12:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobert Swan

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