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Dieter Helm offered the solution to the capacity mechanism conundrum: Force renewables to guarantee and pay for an appropriate share of backup capacity. The cost would appear on our bills directly - and have the benefit of rather better transparency about the real cost of the renewables in the first place (although the gird consequences of renewables are still kept heavily under wraps and just portioned out on bills).

Nov 15, 2018 at 11:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...

@Uibhist a Tuath, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:17 PM

Unfortunately, once no deal became a viable option then there were/are three options. There seems to be no way of reconciling them. In making a decision on what choice to make there is no independent source of information on the pros and cons of each choice.

Pros & Cons can not be defined as EU is not a static entity, it changes

Pre ref: EU Army is fake news
Post ref: Macron, Merkel & Juncker pushing for EU Army

Pros: chance of Freedom
Cons: being ruled by unelected foreign bureaucrats

The Ongoing Disaster Which Is Brexit – Why Not Just Leave

But there’s another, more philosophical reason for this, erm, reasoning. The very thing we’re leaving, the European Union, is based upon that continental idea that there must be a plan for everything, a rule, a regulation, to tell people what they must do. To me the need to leave the EU has always been about escaping that very concept of governance. You know, the one where as they come up with rules that it requires 7 chopping blocks to make a sandwich.

That’s not really the British way. That British way that did indeed make us Top Country for some hundreds of years. The British way which is to rather muddle through, without any grand plans or detailed designs, but to just get things done as and when they need to be done. After all, it has been said we gained that Empire in a fit of absent mindedness. We never did have that Industrial Revolution because our rulers thought it was a good idea nor that they planned or it – they were rather sniffy about both it and the people who did it. The Friendly Societies didn’t arise because someone in Whitehall thought they should, it was the voluntary interaction of private actors that did all of that.

The future is what we make it with our freedom and liberty, what we make with our freedom and liberty being the very future that we desire and should have. Our leaving the EU, Brexit, is to enable us to do this – which is why having plans other than let’s wait and see what we do such an odd thing to do about Brexit.

Nov 15, 2018 at 11:04 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

" .... there is no independent source of information on the pros and cons of each choice."
Nov 15, 2018 at 10:17 PM | Uibhist a Tuath

We do know that Remain portrayed the EU as benevolent, helpful, kind, supportive, and a wonderful thing to be part of. BBC and other media sources provide a record.

Nov 15, 2018 at 11:03 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Iceland and Palm Oil Ad

...A recent report by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, concluded thatboycotting palm oil would merely shift – rather than counter – losses to rainforests and wildlife caused by agriculture. Put simply, boycotted palm oil would need to be replaced by other types of vegetable oil to meet global demand – and that could actually make matters worse.

This is because, compared to other common sources of vegetable oil – such as rapeseed and soybeans – palm oil crops yield four to ten times more oil per unit of land, and require far less pesticide and fertiliser. In fact, palm oil makes up 35% of all vegetable oils, grown on just 10% of the land allocated to oil crops...

Once again, Greens destroying the planet

Nov 15, 2018 at 10:54 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

Uibhist a Tuath said:

I don't think many people on either side have changed their position. Brexiters have become more convinced that the EU is out to get us because of their intransigence.

I have become convinced that the UK government is also out to get us given the last two years of woeful preparations for the possibility of No Deal. Whoever sanctioned that wants hauling over the coals, if only we were allowed to burn some.

Unless I've missed earlier notices and stories I'm puzzled why it is only at this late stage that practical things are being considered. eg expanding facilities at Ramsgate so that Dover is less of a bottleneck. They've had two years. There is no excuse to be looking at emergency and temporary solutions. Greater throughput and monitoring of trade and travel would have been useful anyway and the Brexit vote was an ideal excuse to fund it.

Nov 15, 2018 at 10:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterGareth

M Hodgson
Unfortunately, once no deal became a viable option then there were/are three options. There seems to be no way of reconciling them. In making a decision on what choice to make there is no independent source of information on the pros and cons of each choice.

Nov 15, 2018 at 10:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterUibhist a Tuath

"There is no Irish dimension ."

This is an important observation. The Irish have learned, if they didn't already know, that they no longer control their own border.

Nov 15, 2018 at 9:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

BusinessGreen is getting worried. They might have to learn to do something useful.

Nov 15, 2018 at 8:53 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Nov 15, 2018 at 7:24 PM | M Courtney

From your link:

"Sara Bell, founder and CEO of Tempus Energy, which started the challenge in 2014, said: “This ruling should ultimately force the UK government to design an energy system that reduces bills by incentivising and empowering customers to use electricity in the most cost-effective way – while maximising the use of climate-friendly renewables.”

The company believes that the capacity market favours fossil fuel generation at the expense of alternative ways of securing electricity supplies, such as “demand side reduction”, where companies reduce electricity demand at times of need."

"Demand side reduction" means rationing based on the ability to pay. A timely EU Legal own goal, triggered by Climate Science, to hit UK pockets and productivity,, for MPs of all Parties to think about.

Nov 15, 2018 at 8:14 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Rees-Mogg's letter of no confidence in the leader of the party the Gt. Hon Theresa May.
see below
Rees-Mogg letter – no conficence p i
Rees-Mogg letter – no conficence p 2
Now we shall soon see if May is toppled.

Nov 15, 2018 at 7:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterDouglas

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