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"Amazing, Rhoda you believe one part of parliament is Machiavellian clever, pulling whatever it is over the eyes of the opposition (and that includes those in their own party who don't agree) and the other part is stupid, taken in by blatant parliamentary manoeuvres. "

Yes, pretty much except for the clever. You can be Machiavellian without being clever. My explanation fits the observation. Parliament and the government (and the opposition) have painted themselves into a corner by trying to be too clever, ignoring democracy and failing to appreciate that the EU is acting as an enemy, or at least not in good faith. Observe the way they debate this that or the other imaginary option oblivious to the fact that the EU will not do what is in our interest or even their own economic interest if it conflicts with the 'project'.

I'm giving you pearls of wisdom here. And all you can do is ask daft questions.

Feb 15, 2019 at 6:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterRhoda Klapp

ITV local news
The reported from Sheffield march..teenagers .. interview with Sheffield uni prof
..then "And this happens on the day that the
first electricity comes it from the mega new windfarm Hornsea1 " .."complete 2 minute advert"

... now onto part2 of report from transgender childrens centre.

Feb 15, 2019 at 6:13 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Now on R4 MoL "True cost of the damage we are doing to the planet"
\\ Tuesday, Today programme listeners woke up to the news that the think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research, had new statistics that showed the scale of the damage we humans are doing to the planet. It said that since 2005, the number of floods across the world has increased by 15 times, extreme temperature events by 20 times, and wildfires seven-fold. However, the IPPR soon corrected that date to 1950, blaming a ‘typo’, but climate change researcher and author of Six Degrees Mark Lynas tells Tim Harford why he thinks the IPPR’s numbers are still wrong.

The Labour Party says Victorian diseases are returning, but is austerity really to blame? Lizzie McNeill and Tim Harford find the case is not proven. //

Feb 15, 2019 at 4:31 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Ovo : Mitsubishi Corp. plans to buy a 20 percent stake for about 200 million pounds

Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Josh explains the US Democrat Green Deal. It is worse than Obama thought possible.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/15/friday-funny-welcome-to-the-aocene/

Feb 15, 2019 at 4:18 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Amazing, Rhoda you believe one part of parliament is Machiavellian clever, pulling whatever it is over the eyes of the opposition (and that includes those in their own party who don't agree) and the other part is stupid, taken in by blatant parliamentary manoeuvres.
I make no predictions but I believe May's government is perilously close to being overwhelmed by parliament. It would be stupid in the extreme to predict the ultimate outcome. But a prime minister stripped of authority, and parliament perilously running out of time and broken along multiple fractures cannot take the decisive action needed and drag a divided nation with it.
It matters not if we were remainers or leavers, we are all now so perilously close to the rocks. All we need now is a wounded EU, willing to act vindictively out of spite in retribution for harm caused to it by our leaving.

Feb 15, 2019 at 4:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

"Full of sound and fury, and signifying SFA, as the bard might have put it.
Feb 15, 2019 at 2:17 PM | rhoda"

Alas, a most unfortunate Hampshire lass, now more famous for her initials

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams

Feb 15, 2019 at 3:20 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Times : Ditching single-use plastics could have the unintended consequence of increasing carbon emissions that cause climate change, says BP

yesterday Times enviro editor : Climate change 'is threat to global stability':
screenshot https://twitter.com/trapprain/status/1095866737269063681

Feb 15, 2019 at 2:39 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

ST, sorry if I assumed you were a remainer. Now I don't know whether you really are one or just can't answer those questions which I have never found a remainer who could.

Let me explain about the votes in more detail. Parliament voted to let us have an in/out referendum. They further voted to let the process of exit default to no-deal at the end of the article 50 two-year period. (Which is supposed to deliver both a withdrawal agreement AND a future trade relationship). So parliament decided to let the electorate choose and to have a default exit if no deal could be reached. Then parliament seemed to realise it was being bypassed. That the government had the power to conclude a deal or to let it go to WTO. Parliament didn't like it, got on its high horse about sovereignty. Which it doesn't have, the people being sovereign in fact. Anyway, those useless MPs (whom I despise about as much as they despise me) got themselves promised a 'meaningful vote'. When they voted out the May sellout, that was it. They now imagine that parliament can 'seize control of the negotiations'. So they are being fed sops to take up the time. They can't take control of the negotiations, they can't enter into what is in effect a treaty without government. That is what the government does. And it alone holds the purse strings. They hold the meaningless votes to amuse the MPs, to give an impression of parliament being in control. And to give the media a regular diet of sensation. Full of sound and fury, and signifying SFA, as the bard might have put it.

Feb 15, 2019 at 2:17 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

"Rhoda I made no comment about the virtues or deficiencies of the EU 
Feb 15, 2019 at 12:19 PM | Supertroll"

Do you read, hear or see any of the EU's deficiencies being set out by the BBC? Try searching for BBC News on Selmayr's appointment and news about the EU ignoring its own investigation into its own Rule Breaking.

You are aware (possibly more than all at Bishop Hill) of the BBC's biased presentation of Climate Science, but they are mandated to continue their totally one sided coverage

Feb 15, 2019 at 1:19 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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