Mar 12, 2019 at 11:28 AM | TinyCO2

I tend to agree! Most politicians will opt for the decisions that ensure they keep their own job.

Corbyn is a Brexiteer, and May is a Remainer. Their skills as Party Leaders have proved inadequate, though I would accept that both were elected to Lead divided Parties. May has accepted she is the Caretaker Manager, but Corbyn still wants to lead a revolution.

"I agree that the new 'promises' aren't worth the paper they're not written on but ultimately the EU has made public assurances on multiple occassions. Any refusal to let us go would be the 'bad faith' that's bandied about. 
Mar 12, 2019 at 9:59 AM | TinyCO2"

The EU is assuming that the first Maintenance Payment Cheque, under the Divorce Bill won't get lost in the post, or delayed by the Economic chaos forecast by the EU.

If the Divorce Bill was agreed in "Good Faith" by the UK, but the EU has not acted in "Good Faith" since the Contract was signed, as a non-Lawyer, it seems to me that the UK does not have to jump to attention everytime the EU barks.

The constituencies are fairly Eurosceptic. Everyone will eventually get fed up of being in no man's land and want to move on, with or without an EU deal. To thrive, the Tories need a new PM and all the front runners are Brexiteers. The Tory Remoaners have to decide if they prefer a Brexiteer or a Labour PM. No contest. A better PM could wipe the floor with Corbyn. Labour have got their own divisions. Momentum won't give ground to New Labour, even if Corbyn goes, so people like the TIGs can't just slide back into Labour control. Labour has to lose heavily to put Communism back in its box. Tory remoaners might decide to throw their lot in with the TIGs but most of them would be ousted by replacement Tories. Bottom line most want to keep their job. Apart from certain areas, largely in the south, Tory party members and voters are in more of accord about the EU. MPs may fear Bexit but they don't really want to be part of the EU either. This deal would probably be an end to their tantrums. Most of the aeas where Tories are pro EU, the constituencies are heavily pro Momentum Labour. They might throw their lot in with TIGs if the Tories can't win but they won't risk Labour getting in by killing the chances of a Tory MP. Tactically a TIG vote could be good for the Tories.

If this deal goes through, getting back into the EU gets a lot harder for remoaners to effect. They would have to have another referendum and wouldn't necessarily have the backing to call one. Even then, the public might be less scared of Brexit and be in a 'we've got this far, why would we go back without giving it a good go' mentality. They're almost at that point on 'no deal'.

Tiny, my problem with the WA concerns whether any future UK govt will even initiate leaving at some point into the transition. Would they want to take the flak of remain MPs in their party and the opposition to complete a process they weren't all that keen on anyway. The WA gives them plenty of long grass to kick the ball into. Would they bite the bullet or kick the can down the road? How many mixed metaphors can I get in here?

I agree that the new 'promises' aren't worth the paper they're not written on but ultimately the EU has made public assurances on multiple occassions. Any refusal to let us go would be the 'bad faith' that's bandied about. International courts wouldn't enforce the backstop anyway. It's not like we're a rogue state. Wanting to be free isn't illegal. Deals are agreements to get along, not a contract to sign away all future rights. If such a thing could be done, Trump couldn't have torn up the US agreements. At the end of the day any international deal can be discarded. The only way we could be punished is by not trading with us... something they don't want to stop. No leadership could truly sign away a country's freedom. If it could then to aquire more territories, China and Russia could just bribe the right people. Our ultimate backstop is we could declare war on the EU to regain our freedom. We don't have to fire a single shot but treaties and deals tend to become null and void in such situations.

We need to get out of our current situation, where it would be easy for the remoaners to lock us back in. We need to get a new, Brexit facing Tory leader. Even the remoaners know that May would lose them the next election. Nobody thinks May's deal is a success, it's the worst we could have hoped for. She hasn't even started talks about a trade deal. Sadly we NEED this deal because preparations for no deal were so late and so paltry.

So reluctantly I think that they should accept the 'deal'

https://order-order.com/2019/03/12/cox-bollocks-snow-fake-news/#disqus_thread

https://order-order.com/2019/03/12/hardline-remainers-come-mays-new-deal/#disqus_thread

Stewgreen
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