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"With regard to the dissolving of the partnership between the UK and the EU. There has been much talk about a cash settlement but what about the joint assets acquired during our 40 years of membership should we not insist on compensation for our share of these assets ? Mark Hodgson care to comment?"

Oct 18, 2017 at 6:43 PM | Unregistered Commenter Ross Lea

Ross, as I'm always at pains to point out, I didn't study international law, so I'm at a disadvantage here. However, the paper to which I linked on my EU discussion thread has this to say about shared assets, in international law, in the context of dismissing any claim against the UK in respect of the EU pension fund deficit:

"The EU’s second claim relates to the large deficit of its staff pension scheme. The UK could not in any event be liable for a share of that without also having a claim on a corresponding share of the assets of the EU, if a process of valuing the EU’s assets and liabilities and then making or receiving a balancing payment on exit were to be undertaken. However, there is no general practice in international law of States making or receiving balancing payments representing the net assets or liabilities of an international organisation when the join or withdraw from the organisation. Moreover
no such balancing payments have in fact been made when Member States (including the UK itself) joined the EEC/EC/EU. It is therefore difficult to see any credible basis upon which the UK could be said to be obliged to make any net payment when it leaves."

The key words there seem to be:

"However, there is no general practice in international law of States making or receiving balancing payments representing the net assets or liabilities of an international organisation when the join or withdraw from the organisation."

Further on, the paper says a little more on the subject:

"There is certainly no general rule or practice in international law that when a state voluntarily but lawfully ceases to be a member of an international body, it then makes or receives a payment to reflect some notional share of net assets. Indeed, the practice is generally that the state pays its membership dues up to the date of leaving and that is that..."

So, it doesn't seem that the UK has any claim to any of the capital assets of the EU to which the UK has contributed financially. The flip side, more positively, of that fact, seems to be that we also have no liability in respect of the EU's pension fund deficit. Although the EU has not specified how much it wants in respect of its pensions black hole (while castigating the UK for not making clear exactly what we are prepared to pay in defined cash terms), it strikes me that the deficit is substantial, and is likely to form quite a large part of any EU claim. The fact that any such claim is legally unjustified is therefore rather good news (for the UK, if not for the EU).

I hope that helps.

Oct 18, 2017 at 8:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

"Green Power is Part Time Power "

..great meme and title in WUWT story

Oct 18, 2017 at 7:33 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

The absolutely impartial BBC Future just tweeted
"Winter ISN'T coming - it's actually the Great Thaw that's on its way."

...wanna bet ?

Oct 18, 2017 at 7:28 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

@GC Dale= Dale Vince
do keep up

Ecotricity would count as an authorised reseller
Well in this case it's Shell

Oct 18, 2017 at 7:03 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

BTW There was a similarl story in April in the and another in July
... WUWT debunked

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171016-the-great-thaw-of-americas-north-is-coming
#1 yeh Great Thaws always start at the beginning of winter
#2 BBC Future is just the commercial magazine arm and so is not bound by journalism quality standards
The source of the article is not clear but it quotes Vladimir Romanovsky
That page has been Waybacked 24 times in the last 2 days
There was an initial stupid error
\\ There's one country, Nigeria, that didn't sign on to the agreement because they didn’t think it was strong enough. I would probably side with Nigeria on that issue.”//
Nicaragua she meant

Sara Goudarzi previous article "Study: Organic Farming More Efficient."
..Wishful thinking .if it worked big corps would be doing it
She edits http://demandasme.org/
"sustainable solutions that serve communities globally."
That makes her look like a eco-dreamer

Oct 18, 2017 at 7:02 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

With regard to the desolving of the partnership between the UK and the EU. There has been much talk about a cash settlement but what about the joint assets aquired during our 40 years of membership should we not insist on compensation for our share of these assets ? Mark Hodgson care to comment ?

Oct 18, 2017 at 6:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Oct 18, 2017 at 6:15 PM | stewgreen
Interesting!
So is Dale the "Authorised Supplier" or the petrol station?

How is the petrol station compensated for their loss of parking/revenue space? Is there a subsidy involved?

Oct 18, 2017 at 6:30 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@GC "There are legal limits to the reselling of electricity, though I don't know if this is relevent to battery cars"
I'm guessing that law applies to landlords/hotels etc

applies to "which has already been bought from an authorised supplier. "
Dale already charges more that 12p so it must be legal

Oct 18, 2017 at 6:15 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

(all except Barrow in the far north show cooling or stable temperatures from 1979 to 2014)

Oct 18, 2017 at 1:21 PM | lapogus

An appropriate location for Trenberth's missing heat.

Oct 18, 2017 at 2:32 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

More BBC propaganda, Alaskan permafrost melting (Oct 2017): http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171016-the-great-thaw-of-americas-north-is-coming

But data suggests general trend for Alaska is cooling: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/alaska-science-forum/alaska-bucks-global-temperature-trend

trends for 15 Alaskan sites from 1949 to 2014: http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/ClimTrends/Location

(all except Barrow in the far north show cooling or stable temperatures from 1979 to 2014)

Oct 18, 2017 at 1:21 PM | Registered Commenterlapogus

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