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@SandyS, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:33 PM
But "Potato" Ed pointed to a new report by consultants Cornwall Energy, 2 Millennium Plain, Norwich, Norfolk, NR2 1TF
Hmm, Cornwall Energy (alluding to Eden Project?), based in Norfolk - other side of England.
Why name? Why cited by Davey?
Common sense would suggest it is O2 below level we need in what we breath rather than level of CO2 that is most important.
A quick search suggests CO2 > 6% or 60,000 PPM may be a problem for human survival.
As CO2 is so bad, would EM, ACK etc support a ban on extracting and selling naturally sparkling Evian etc? Evian is loved by the naivE.
Ed Davey's get out of jail free card
EM, was it only raff who insisted that ppm was the correct way to express CO2? Some of us here thought percentages would be so much more useful.
As a scuba diver, I am aware of the consequences of raised percentages of CO2. Anyone who has watched the film Apollo 13, will recall how the astronauts started to get snappy and argumentative as CO2 levels rose, and they had to bodge the CO2 scrubbers to fit their capsule. I understand that it was an accurate portrayal of real events.
EM, would you like to express dangerous percentages of CO2 in air for human breathing in terms of ppm (parts per million), so that they are in proportion?
400ppm is not scary at all.
Ross Lea, thank you for that, I did not know that the International Space Station maintains CO2 at 1,000ppm. Do you know whether that is because there is no need to use energy to reduce it further?
@stewgeen, EM et al
The world is getting greener. Why does no one want to know?As carbon dioxide levels have risen, the planet’s green vegetation has increased by 14 per centMatt RidleyGlobal greening is the name given to a gradual, but large, increase in green vegetation on the planet over the past three decades. The climate change lobby is keen to ensure that if you hear about it at all, you hear that it is a minor thing, dwarfed by the dangers of global warming. Actually, it could be the other way round: greening is a bigger effect than warming.
As carbon dioxide levels have risen, the planet’s green vegetation has increased by 14 per cent
Global greening is the name given to a gradual, but large, increase in green vegetation on the planet over the past three decades. The climate change lobby is keen to ensure that if you hear about it at all, you hear that it is a minor thing, dwarfed by the dangers of global warming. Actually, it could be the other way round: greening is a bigger effect than warming.
Zaichun Zhu Myneni
Carbon dioxide fertilization greening Earth, study finds
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries has just published a study titled "Greening of the Earth and its Drivers" in the journal Nature Climate Change showing significant greening of a quarter to one-half of the Earth's vegetated lands using data from the NASA-MODIS and NOAA-AVHRR satellite sensors of the past 33 years. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees. Green leaves produce sugars using energy in the sunlight to mix carbon dioxide (CO2) drawn in from the air with water and nutrients pumped in from the ground. These sugars are the source of food, fiber and fuel for life on Earth. More sugars are produced when there is more CO2 in the air, and this is called CO2 fertilization.
Sterngate crops up on twitter before maybe something to do with Stern magazine
@EM Dung didn't mention Ridley he just mentioned Greening
Re. Sterngate. This is really OT. Continued funding will be based on what is promised for the future. This is based on the proposals and by the outputs from previous work done. With a bibliography of several hundred items there is more than enought. The very few contentious items would not affect the outcome.
Some of the criticisms are unjustified. Inclusion of papers not on climate is easily explained. A reseach group will employ young researchers. The roles of the chief investigators is twofold, first to guide the researchers to do the contracted work, but second to encourage them to do things that will help them find continued employment when their current contract ends. Part of this will be to publish past work. Time and maybe other assistance will be offered. When such work is published, the writing up is a legitimate output of the researcher's current employment.
There is no question that in the main example detailed there was some very sharp practice, even illegality.
Entropic manI have been following reports on "Ralph" over at Sunrise's Swansong for quite a while.
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