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I forced myself to listen last night

Evan Davies wasn't that bad, he certainly was Harrabin feeding them lines
but he wasn't A Neil
He basically played passive not picking them up on their wild claims.
So he didn't offend any of his Green boyfriends

Those 3 speakers were just the peope are big oil corp would hire
They were slick PR sales people rather honest.
There were an awful lot of half truths

Those wild claims
0:20s Juliet Davenport Good Energy woman claimed 100% of their power is renewable ...no it isn't when the wind and sun are not on Biomass isn't enough to carry her retail customers (what they are doing is borrowing from fossil fuel pot then and paying excess later ..so she only needs to buy in from renewable suppliers
3:25 Leggett "The government has declared a scorched Earth policy on anything renewable"
6:00 Juliet Davenport "Levelelised costs" "Wind 8p, solar 9-10p but we seeing it rapidly coming down " How can it be ? levelised is supposed to take account of that.

6:50 Offshore wind guy used the trick of talking optimistic and correcting down at the end
As he claimed ONSHORE wind compares with New Build Gas
claimed wind is 10p now ..surely gas is cheaper than that ?

Leggett went onto say solar is right on course to become the cheapest "in a few years" .. Check his past peak oil predictions, you;ll see he's rubbish.

"Oh that book was published a good few years ago, It;s out of date. I dont think Mackay believes that stuff himself anymore" ..em it's only 7 years old
"that's really out of date"

On Twitter people were correcting Evan Davies, but it's full of Evan Davies dog getting hydrotherapy

gotta go now

Feb 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Phillip Bratby

agreed - it was so "full of it" that I still have been unable to steel myself to sit through in one pass... :-)

A responsible public service broadcaster would've had done some research and injected some balance but there was none - the twaddle spouted really merits a challenge - hell freezes over etc., etc.

It is a measure of the BBC's arrogance that that did not happen.

Feb 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Has anyone seen this reported? It is a simple way of providing those, far from a convenient energy source, with convenient illumination:
The Salt Technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPNbJAPL2A

I don't think it is for power plants! :)

Feb 7, 2016 at 12:35 PM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

Mike Jackson
Yes there are lots of charities that are too political for me, not just those involved with the environment. I now tend to support smaller charities involved with health issues affecting close family; mainly asthma/eczema (son and granddaughters) and kidney (grandson) research at the moment. With smaller charities there's an element of trust that none of the money is "wasted" but with other large ones, as you say, you know some is going where you don't want it to go.

Feb 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Tomo: My main impression of 'The Bottom Line' was that Evan Davies was easily taken in by the lies of the three guest troughers - particularly the bit about the cost of new gas-fired power stations. The programme was totally unbalanced and the guests can get away with their lies and deception when the presenter is completely ignorant of the topic under discussion.

Feb 7, 2016 at 12:14 PM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

BBC R4 "The Bottom Line" with Evan Davies - Renewable Energy as a Podcast (MP3)

The cheerful collegial atmosphere of the three musketeers seemed to actually nettle Evan Davies a wee bit and prompted some questions that did not get answers.

I was surprised at the brushing aside of David McKay's "Renewable Energy - without the hot air" book as obsolete and "out of date" and unless my ears weren't registering properly the assertion that "solar can entirely power the UK" was made at least a couple of times.

"Levelised cost" throughout and no mention was made of the contribution of subsidy to the "10p / kWh for solar" - (before I couldn't take any more on the first listening).

The assertion that renewables *all* came in on a cost basis under the "14p / kWh retail price" was one that is contrary to my understanding of the arithmetic. There was also some stuff about the "average house" energy consumption that sounded wonky too.

Feb 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM | Registered Commentertomo

SandyS
I saw a suggestion somewhere yesterday that charities that want to get involved in influencing government (as opposed to simply getting on with their jobs) ought to establish a separate political fund à la trade unions. It struck me as quite a good idea since we would all very quickly find out how many supporters want the RSPB to look after birds and how many want it to pontificate on climate change.
It might also be to the benefit of the charity since we know that the there are posters on here (I'm one) who stopped supporting that particular organisation because of its political activity. If we knew that the money we gave was emphatically not going to support such activity we might be tempted to start contributing again.
It's a thought.

Feb 7, 2016 at 10:14 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

The Sunday Times (£) has an article on the alleged child abuse by politicians story which included this quote:

According to one source, who is close to the police investigation, the Met appeared to have sought evidence that would corroborate Nick’s story but overlooked evidence that suggested it was false.
It sort of reminded me of something!

Feb 7, 2016 at 10:03 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Salopian
It made it on to the BBC Radio News yesterday morning. Charities will be allowed to use money from non-government sources to lobby parliament so the big guns won't be too worried. Might be interesting if someone ever asks Friends Of the Earth or Green Peace to prove that the money doesn't come from government sources. Two potential issues money from a single wealthy source might have to be identified and all the members of the public who support these businesses in a small way becoming aware of what happens to some of their money.
Not that I'm holding my breathe in anticipation of anything major in the immediate future.

Feb 7, 2016 at 8:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Nothing to report on the Antarctic ? I just did check up on the BBC weatherman Peter Gibs month long journey from S Africa to Halley Ice Station Making a BBC Documentary.
..I'd been expecting a whole stream of scare stories, but there's none tweeted ..actually they got to the base , stayed a couple of days and now tweeted "Now heading for Falklands "..Well they didn't get trapped either.
- Radio bits BBC Radio 2 Friday, Radio 4 Jan19th ..Documentary to follow in the Spring, Radio 4 and BBC2 Horizon

Scariest thing was him tweeting "CO2 levels rising towards a milestone figure in the clean air of Antarctica" the meter showed 398ppm

From Q&A
"It sounds blowy there. Ideal for a wind turbine?"
"Wind turbines have been tried at other stations, but tend to break down in harsh conditions. Work in progress."

"Here at Halley it is minus 12C at the moment with a windchill of minus 22C. And it's summer!"

Feb 7, 2016 at 6:50 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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