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stewgreen, Quality Control in Climate Science set new standards with Mann's Hockey Stick, that no climate scientist has ever dared to exceed since.

Jun 16, 2016 at 8:18 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Pcar
Interesting thing drinking water. In my youth in summer I used to work as Grouse Beater or Ponyman for Deer Stalking on the estate where we lived. Early in my career one of the old Gamekeepers said, "Never drink on the hill without eating, you'll be thirsty all day if you do". I followed this advice on days which were often 10+ hours long and involved walking 15+ miles and climbing (and descending) two or three thousand feet. It seemed to work as I didn't seem to be as thirsty as those who drank their supplies by lunch time. It's surprisingly difficult to get decent water up some Perthshire mountains. Once I got home I had to drink several litres of water/tea. Whether it did me any harm I can't really say, but I don't recall any headaches.

The man who gave me the advice only carried a whisky half bottle, the hip flask style, filled with cold tea (no milk) which he rarely finished.

Jun 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Yes @GC I should have said the guy was selling bits of dowsing wire as bomb detectors and it took years for authorities to stop him, when in a sane world if skeptics had control it would have taken a week.

Re : Talking about scams that went on for ages before being stopped : The news is on about the guy who sold bits of wire to Iraqis and other military making $10m +

Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Life is full of little coincidences. During the chat about camouflage the other day the subject SAS Land Rovers desert colours came up. At a quiz last night "What do the SAS call their desert Land Rovers?" was one of the questions, that and guessing Paper Lace, I happen to know Paper Lace came from Nottingham, got to into the charts with Nottingham Forest in 1978 enabled us to win the quiz.

Thanks everyone.

Jun 16, 2016 at 7:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Pcar, during Ramadan in hot countries, people tend to stay indoors, and out of the heat, during the day.

Many construction workers in the oil rich Arab States are foreigners, and not Muslims.

Jun 15, 2016 at 10:45 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Pcar, I haven't been up inside the Dome of St Pauls, but have been inside St Peters Rome, and a few others in Italy. They are not quite the pure and simple bits of architecture that they look!

If you cut an orange in half around its equator and hollow out one half and place it on a table, then press gently down, the dome tries to bulge out, especially between the Arctic Circle and Tropic of Cancer. A masonry structure will form cracks down the lines of longitude due to its own self weight, before any other stresses are involved.

If you intend to plaster/render the inside of the dome, and paint it, you really need a structure that is not cracking continuously.

The 2000 year old Pantheon in Rome is remarkable. I am sure many engineers would love to have a go at copying it, but perhaps not if their money and reputation was at risk.

Jun 15, 2016 at 10:32 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Me real introduction to the phrase "until hell freezes over" came on being taught elementary computer programming in Algol with such statements as

Hellfreezesover:=false;
Repeat x:=0 until Hellfreezesover;

Equally popular was the use of goto Hell; (though we were taught to avoid using goto statements wherever possible).

Jun 15, 2016 at 9:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...

@stewgreen, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:28 AM

The world seems barking mad
Like here I am in suburbs where these days most people seem not to be even drinking water for the whole daylight hours cos now it's Ramadam here
It never hit me that people weren't even drinking water .. in the past it seemed more of a thing for spiritual Muslims and no one saw that you were eating etc. but now social media means that there is more pressure on Cultural Muslims to conform etc.
Jeez OK give up meat for a few days ..even fast for a day or so but not drinking water that sounds like it would have major negatives outweighing the benefits ..bet people over compensate and over eat etc.
But sure as anything in these Politically dominated Muslim countries 97% of doctors keep their heads down.

I could not go without water for 8 hours without suffering a dehydration headache - I wake up every morning with one and immediately drink three pints of water.

Being awake and active for 8 let alone 12 hours without water would lead to severe headache and prevent clear, logical thought.

"Hyperhydrosis"


@Alan kendall, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:44 AM

I do wonder what Muslim immigrants do in northern areas of Scandinavia when Ramadan falls in summer.

Die? One can hope ;)

I do wonder if ramadan was invented as a religious annual cull of the old, weak and other unproductive in the local population.

Jun 15, 2016 at 8:20 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

stewgreen 4:02 did the fraudster sell any of his hi-tec monitoring equipment to climate scientists, as Pause Detectors? They can't seem to make up their mind whether there was nothing to detect, or whether it was a technical fault.

Jun 15, 2016 at 6:11 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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