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@Mark Hodgson, Jun 17, 2017 at 10:09 AM
...her [May] making political capital out of such a tragedy is appalling.
Which news channel are you watching? May is being blamed for everything; J Corbyn & the left are who are making political capital out of a tragedy.
Even spiked is criticising Corbyn's politicising behaviour.
Pcar
@TinyCO2, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:14 AM
[1]Concrete clad flats are notoriously cold and damp. [2]They're also ugly as sin.
1. No more so than Victorian and before solid walls, brick-brick/brick-block cavity etc.
Damp is invariably due to lack of ventilation - another left green-blob catastrophe.
2. Yes. Cheap, easy solution - paint the concrete. Edinburgh did that in 1990s, huge difference in appearance & residents' morale.
EU & Blair (Blair Government's Decent Homes Programme) Green laws mandated exterior insulation was how fire spread rapidly. Non-flammable is available, but much more expensive. KCTMO chose cheap high thermal efficiency option. Contractors installed what KCTMO specified..
Sprinklers would not have helped, fire was spreading in through windows not flat to flat.
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Read articles and comments.
http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=4939
http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=4957
Pcar
Jun 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM | Supertroll
One possibility is penguin flatulence.
Another is that the main engines are not mechanically connected to the propellers, they just generate electricity. Engine(s) can then be set to provide sufficient electrical oomph for the required boat speed, and the ship's requirements as a floating hotel.
With sufficient battery capacity, it would be possible to claim zero CO2 Emissions from the ship, whilst in certain territorial waters, and a big extension lead could be plugged in to dockside shore power, so zero emissions and noise whilst moored up in harbour, and when departing.
All very Green, but meaningless when cruising around Antarctica
golf charlie
Supertroll
20% reduction in emissions? hybrid? Given the energy budget of a cruise liner I'd expect that a new generation of engines and flue gas treatments might claim almost all the claimed reduction in emissions.... Most of the time the engines will be at a near constant speed anyway - the complexity of hybrid has to be traded against reliability - the South Atlantic isn't the sort of place one needs electrical propulsion or power gremlins to pop up.
Sounds like simply playing to the prejudices of the targeted punters - virtue signalling to people who like that sort of thing.
There has been a move towards LPG fueling of vessels but the logistics of LPG presently dictates that a fixed itinerary is required to facilitate refuelling.
tomo
Jeremy wants to commandeer empty homes of the rich to house the fire homeless. That would be illegal but his spare bedroom is not.
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"Similar armchair experts found the "Liverpool thugs" guilty straight after Hillsborough."
Well, having seen what happened at Heysel, that was not an unreasonable assumption, and I am not sure it has been totally refuted.
mike fowle
A brochure accompanied my Saturday Torygraph today for cruises to Antarctica using a new ship. Highlighted was the fact that the ship was a hybrid and operates with 20% less emissions. When operating on electrical power it is supposedly quiet. I can't see any solar panels so I can't imagine how they are greener, surely when charging their batteries they would be emitting just as much CO2 if not more.
Supertroll
The country has been burying the cost of immigration amongst loads of other areas. The wealthy of London want all sorts of low paid workers from baristas to cleaners. Fair enough, they should pay for them, but they don't. Their cheap labour is subsidised by the state. Now I'm sure that Londoners say that they already subsidise the rest of the country but that's their historical responsibility. The country's wealth built London into what it is today. Without the country's money to build the banks and without the treasures acquired and gifted to the whole nation but housed in London, it wouldn't be such an interesting place. If they want to import people from elsewhere they need to pay the entire cost of them from arrival to death on top of their existing responsibilities. Ditto companies outside the capital. If companies had to build and maintain the flats these people need, I think they'd bring in a lot less.
Fundamentally operating a trade deficit and a massive debt is losing money not making it.
Can you imagine if we slip into recession and all those newcomers want unemployment benefit? What about when they've worked ten years and want half a pension?
TinyCO2
Similar armchair experts found the "Liverpool thugs" guilty straight after Hillsborough.
stewgreen
Pcar
Please read again what I wrote. You have inferred (absolutely wrongly) that I said May was making political capital. What I wrote (and I fail to understand how you misunderstood it) was that the woman with the anti-May placard was making political capital out of it.
I appreciate that you are much more right-wing than me, and that you see the world through your right-wing prism, but if you just concentrate on reading carefully what people write, you will find much less conflict with people like me. On this issue, I was actually criticising the left-wing rabble-rousers.