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"Chris Packham hits out at nature TV and I'm A Celeb"
Sep 10, 2019 at 6:50 PM | Mark Hodgson
If Chris Packham or David Attenborough would like to make some honest BBC TV programmes about Polar Bears and their increase in numbers, it would be a start.
What has Chris Packham actually done to make himself into a celebrity worth quoting by the BBC?
"I don't think many in Westminster, particularly those from the south who went to public school, oxbridge and straight into politics have any concept how deeply these divisions are
Sep 10, 2019 at 8:46 PM | Still In The Dark"
The behaviour/conduct in the House of Commons demonstrates how "tribal" differences can degenerate into hatred and hostility. I do not know how the audible (but not televised) demonstrations and counter-demonstrations outside Parliament have actually been policed.
If some of the language and opposition had been in relation to race, colour, religion, gender etc, it could have been deemed incitement. This behaviour has NOT been seen as the EU has progressively sapped money and jobs out of the UK. The same applies to Climate Scientists.
How many times has the UK been asked to vote on Climate Science and/or the EU?
Still In The Dark,
Roughly 50% ignoring the other 50% usually degenerates into civil strife.
That's a big claim. A few examples to back up the "usually"?
I'm pretty sure the Brexit debate is more or less like the rest of politics. There are a smallish number on each side that care very deeply, and a spectrum between, more or less like the usual bell curve, with the vast majority having a preference but being comfortable enough living with either outcome.
Not saying that some of the extremists won't do something extreme, but general strife is an alarmist claim.
@MH
Variously:
The project fear mob who keep pretending to be saving us from a "disastrous" no deal Brexit have never provided any evidence, only conjecture. Osbourne and co were predicting an immediate crash if we voted leave, which never happenede. Yet they shamelessly keep spouting the same mantra.
Whatever happened to the Scots? A once industrious and inventive nation, yet they now can't figure out the connection between declining public services and voting SNP & are frightened by the climate change fantasy. It is also worth reminding any Scottish remoaner who bleats the "leavers didn't know what they were voting for" meme that when they had their devolution referendum the format of the devolved authority was not known.
Sep 10, 2019 at 9:56 AM | golf charlie
Roughly 50% ignoring the other 50% usually degenerates into civil strife. It is even more the case when there are regional differences were significantly more than 50% have the opposite view to the overall numbers, in this case Scotland and Ulster. As it's not that long since the two tribes in Ulster were at each others throats one can only hope that there is some solution to a hard border in Ireland. The west of Scotland is poisoned by the same tribalism then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that any unrest in Ulster could cross the Irish Sea. I don't think many in Westminster, particularly those from the south who went to public school, oxbridge and straight into politics have any concept how deeply these divisions are. It's one reason why working in England and being called "Jock" or "MacTavish" was no worse that working in a factory in Bathgate.
"TUC urges members to support student climate strikes
Union umbrella body gives its backing to next global action taking place on 20 September"
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/10/tuc-urges-members-support-student-climate-strikes
"Household Survey: Scots unhappy with poor services and climate change"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49648329
"Satisfaction with Scotland's schools, healthcare and public transport has hit a record low, while concern about climate change reached a record high."
I know it's already been mentioned, but here's the BBC's take on it:
"Former PM's Brexit negotiator joins Goldman Sachs"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49642179
Including this:
"Mr Robbins will leave the civil service at the end of the fellowship to become a managing director in Goldman Sachs' Investment Banking Division.
He will join former European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, who is the non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International.
He is not the only figure from British politics to have gone into finance. Former Chancellor George Osborne earns £650,000 a year in a role with US investment fund Blackrock, while former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling is a non-executive director at investment bank Morgan Stanley."
Despite Brexit, presumably:
"Wage growth stays strong as unemployment falls"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49646201
"TUC urges members to support student climate strikes
Sep 10, 2019 at 7:02 PM | Mark Hodgson"
The TUC can't complain as industry and manufacturing keeps being exported to countries with cheaper costs.