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Radical Rodent
I recommend http://iceagenow.info/ as an antidote to we're all going to fry bored games. Not by Fire But By Ice.
SandyS
It appears that it is not only the USA that is experiencing “interesting” weather.
Radical Rodent
Athelstan.
It was supposed to be irony.
SandyS
Salopian,
Forgive me if I'm teaching Grandma to suck eggs but... Have you tried the sticky keys thing to help typing one handed?
Press Shift 5 times in a row and it should come on.
M Courtney
I do find the criticisms of the satellite Quite Interesting. The surface record is taken from hundreds of weather stations with few if any over the oceans with several different sensor types of varying ages and maintained by dozens of different authorities. These stations are moved and upgraded and there seems to be no data correlation between the old and new sites, what I'd call parallel running when I was at work.These are then mixed matched and adjusted to produce a highly accurate GAT.
Whereas there have only been a relatively few satellites with a few sensors measuring the temperature (or a proxy) across both land and sea at various altitudes yet people like Richard Betts feel their land based GAT is superior in all ways.
The two positives rule seems appropriate.
SandyS
stewgreen
I saw the proposed bet, I did think of starting a "Predictions 2018" thread with the first one being that 2015 (and some earlier years) would be adjusted down in EM's data set of choice so that 2017 would be in the top 5 warmest years.
SandyS
BTW News Sniffer is a good tool for checking for sneaky stealth edits in BBC and other pages : An example
stewgreen
On that Paul H show : min 33:08 to 34:45
PH "with El Nino in full flight I'd think 2016 will probably beat 2015 ..that matters not .." 'but ..what about the difference with satellite records ?'(BTW Betts starts at min 28:00, not 25)Betts answers by blathering on about surface then adds
"Satellite data ...There's a lot of assumptions that go into that errrr And those assumptions lead to VERY LARGE UNCERTAINTIES in the satellite record.
(bit garbled speech now) So it's important not to hang your hat on particular one data set..Especially with the satellite data being MORE UNCERTAIN than the land ..and err well there's land and ocean surface temperature.
So if you are cherry picking ONE particular data set that is not a good thing really
...We are not always recognising the UNCERTAINTIES in our FAVOURITE data set if we are trying to make a particular point "
stewgreen
tomo 12:14 news from the Guardian gets worse at Guido Fawkes.
Their Business Model seems to be anti-business, and their business investments are running at a loss. Their expertise is legendary inside the BBC, which will be the first point of call for any made redundant.