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@stewgreen
now Google is the first place
indeed - and they apparently cannot resist a bit of tinkering either .... only human nature I suppose.
I'm not expecting 100% credibility - just a bit better would do :-)
In other news The Guardian showcases its new PPE range for staff and sends out a motivational message.
tomo
@Tomo We used to think that there was such a thing as a credible news source, that you could trust in everything in printed.
...but then media grew down and we grew up realising that New Scientist wasn't a real science magazine at all, and that even the biggest stories like "butter is bad for you" get overturned.
..So stories have to stand on their own credibility you get from reading them and comparing news sources.
Yes using the Mail as such a onestop source of all news is ridiculous. It just prints anything that will get eyeballs.
The BBC used to be good when it did the balance of Mr X here says, and OTOH Mrs Y here says...and that is the technique that US's Fox news actually still uses. though of course news manager can choose what stories to give attention to.
The credibility of a news source used to decide the first source you look at ..but now Google is the first place.
I do find right wing commentators like Lidell, Philips, Delingpole, KTHopkins, Stein useful cos they raise issues the media forgets or is afraid of mentioning.
stewgreen
@ACK
eejits indeed ... - piled up ones in fact
Heightened interconnection with nature elicited greater perceptions of imminence of the environmental risk and involvement with nature, which persisted for 1 week. Although the effect sizes were small to moderate, findings suggest that embodied experiences in IVEs may be an effective tool to promote involvement with environmental issues.
What is the difference between this and computer games ....? - apart from where the funding comes from.
tomo
gC, tomo. Why not criticize the idiots at the University of Georgia who were responsible for these stupidities? I particularly liked the possibility of being a coral -
"As coral, volunteers saw the reef around them decay as the ocean acidified, their own ‘body’ corrode, and their branches break off with a crack."
This would require the oceans to suffer a pH drop below 7, - totally inconceivable.
Whoever the idiots were, I couldn't even be bothered to reread the news item to find out, they know nothing other than how to get media coverage.
ACK
@gc
swapping ends? - yeah - that works
The effort / lengths that people go to amplify confirmation bias never ceases to surprise me :-)
tomo
tomo, it must be a pleasant change for Guardian readers to experience life from a cows point of view, as an alternative to being force fed a diet of bulls effluent discharge.
golf charlie
Meanwhile at The Guardian
A lot cheaper to put a black plastic bag over their heads so they can see what its like up their backsides - no electricity required.
tomo
@stewgreen
All I'm saying I guess is that the DM's recipe of news & current affairs doesn't agree with me personally - that will not bother the DM one tiny bit.
It's down to credibility which is something that has to be earned imho Sure they give a platform occasionally to some properly evidenced, reasoned stuff - but the signal to noise ratio is very, very low
Imho - every made up trash piece dilutes the well researched, carefully put together rational stuff - and the arithmetic of that is not - again imho - a positive trait and helpful in informing people about things outside their own immediate experience.
Newspapers and the MSM are in business in large part to cultivate partisan sentiment - the way that individual players go about that is pretty diverse and disappointingly at the moment requires picking through a lot more larger, smellier piles of poo to find the useful bits - than I recall being the case...
The state of our media is dire - but then again it probably always has been and and I'm wasting my typing.... :-)
tomo
Talking of online newspapers did anyone see this
Describing them as volcanoes might be pushing it a bit, but interesting none the less.
SandyS
Tomo. "What is the difference between this and computer games". Pseudoscientific language, sense of doing meaningful "research" and, I very much hope, little monetary reward.