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The Black thread

The Black thread seems to have gone. Not sure whether this is finger trouble at this end or a bug or something at the Squarespace end.

Will keep you posted.

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    As I wandered around Salisbury Plain this afternoon protecting our national heritage I read Richard Black on the BBC website about BEST and hide the decline. I was gobsmacked at the misunderstanding he appeared to show. An hour or so...

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Perhaps tutu and vuvu triggered some sort of crapola filter with their homophobic rants

Nov 2, 2011 at 5:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Whatever you do, don't upset the nuns!

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterMaurizio Morabito

don't mess with my tutu lol

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterMangoChutney

The biggest tragedy is it lets Zed off the hook citing me a reference |:)

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

And what was that 'comments closed' thing yesterday?

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

I suspect it was the Bishop's equivalent of throwing a bucket of cold water over us. Things were starting to get a little frenzied when I left last night!

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

The Black thread is coming and going, interspersed with your apology.
When it's there the comment page "can't be found".

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

Paranoid? Moi? :)

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

[Response to troll]

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterJJB MKI

JJB, whereas Zed appears to have a modicum of interest in the subject area, tutu is a waste of space troll, and all those words and arguments are completely wasted, except as they are therapeutic for you to put them down.

You realise, if the Bish put a plastic cup on the floor, we'd start a discussion about it.

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames


leader in a cycling race according to this:

and i must state for the record that i have never knowingly indulged in a cycle race either from the rear or from the front

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterMangoChutney

Thanks James, you're absolutely right.

Zed, what's your take on the plastic cup?

Got to go, the peloton's about to pass me by..

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterJJB MKI

How big is the plastic cup ? what colour ? Do you have any evidence that the cup ever really existed ?

Nov 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterHyperthermania

As my pseudo suggests, I live in France and my French wife has just confirmed what I thought. Webster is talking rubbish: peleton is not the leader, it's the massed group of cyclists he probably broke away from. Other meanings: un peleton de laine is a hank of wool, - you also have le peleton d'éxécution or firing squad — probably the latter judging from the the gist of the comment above, although I've no idea what this is all about. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn in France

Mike J

That would explain it - never seen that before but I am seeing more and more abuse of hospitality and from both sides.

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:08 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

I am no scientist as I freely admit but I thought blogs like this were places were I (and many others) could express an opinion and hopefully become better informed without finding myself in the middle of a live-fire exercise!
Being insulted by trolls or hectored by born-again warmists has started to get very wearing. That thread was getting so far off beam that more than half the postings (someone counted them) were not only off-topic but consisted of a "dialogue of the deaf"!
And as usual in that situation were generating more heat than light!

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

I've just dropped into the 'Curry on BEST' thread. It looks as if it's going the same way!

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

simpleseeker - IMNSHO the real stupid are those (like me) falling in the trap of replying to the known information black holes, like zbd. IF ONLY WE WOULD STOP, threads would become meaningful again. For example IF YOU SEE THAT SOMEBODY HAS REPLIED ALREADY to one of those baseless claims, DON'T JOIN THE PARTY.

It's so simple, it makes one wonder who the spammers are.

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterMaurizio Morabito

Me too. I'm going to stop talking to Zed. I think the problem is that because most of us were once believers in AGW, and were converted to scepticism, I see every believer as a potential convert. And I think how cool it will be for that person to have that moment of epiphany I had. It's a bad habit, not everybody can be swayed by logic. I'll stop.

Nov 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Perhaps the rants and bad language were contrary to squarespace terms and conditions, bish. It only takes one busybody to complain to the board admin. I may not have been the only one offended by vuvu's obscenities.

Nov 2, 2011 at 8:07 PM | Unregistered Commentermarchesarosa


Being insulted by trolls or hectored by born-again warmists has started to get very wearing.

Has it ever occurred to you that you might be wrong?

I have never ceased to be amazed at how so many, knowing so little about so much can be so aggressively certain that they are right and that the entire expert community is wrong.

It's absolutely astonishing. It's also arrogant beyond belief.

Behold yourselves and pause.

Nov 2, 2011 at 8:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterBBD

@BBD: I've never really taken to you as a troll. In general, I have enjoyed what you write and how you write: I have learned from that. But, you write:

"Has it ever occurred to you that you might be wrong?

I have never ceased to be amazed at how so many, knowing so little about so much can be so aggressively certain that they are right and that the entire expert community is wrong.

It's absolutely astonishing. It's also arrogant beyond belief."

Well, yes, it has often occurred to me that I can be wrong, on this and many other things. I like to maintain a certain humility about my knowledge.

However, unlike you, I am frequently amazed at how much some people, given the opportunity, really know. The depth of their combined knowledge; the breadth of their combined experiences; the length of their combined experiences; and the lack of their arrogance. I do not think they are wrong. I do not think you, in much of what you say, are wrong (heck, you write some powerfully technical arguments that are difficult to gainsay). But I do think the overall conclusions that come from the sceptical argument base are ascendant.

And my reason for this? It is that thing called experience. In 1972, when the OU started an Ecology course they released a textbook called, 'The Limits To Growth' by the Club of Rome. I really signed up to that and thoroughly bought in to the whole darn shooting match. Time, that great teacher, has since changed my mind: it was a crock, much like the IPCC's Assessment Reports.

But when it comes to the crunch, given that warming has always happened (we can agree on that?), and knowing that it is happening again, I am forced to the conclusion: and? No amount of taxation will change that fact.

Nov 2, 2011 at 8:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterSnotrocket

"It's absolutely astonishing. It's also arrogant beyond belief." It also cuts both ways. (I don't have you in mind BTW). It is always worth imagining what we'd say if it turned out we were flat wrong. (OMG I didn't say that did I?; o ground, open up).

Nov 2, 2011 at 8:45 PM | Unregistered Commentersimon abingdon

If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread there is a discussion forum.

Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

Point taken, Your Grace. The lost (Black) post was promising and very interesting. Since it has been re-posted, the entire thread seems to have unravelled. Apologies.

Nov 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterSnotrocket

[Take it to the discussion forum]

Nov 2, 2011 at 9:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterStephen Richards

No, BBD. I'm absolutely right. It is most definitely wearing to be insulted by trolls and hectored by born-again warmists.

Nov 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

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