Unthreaded
I'd add that the price of cats is going to rise faster than the raw material price.....
tomo
stewgreen
the cats are worth more as spare parts than ground up to recover the metals. I'd guess there are less than half a dozen recyclers with the chemistry set and sales contacts to process and trade contacts to sell the proceeds - although I see that the group punishment thing is as well represented as ever.
A replacement cat for a late model Toyota is around £1000 + fitting. A semi skilled welder can patch in a snaffled cat to an old exhaust in about an hour tops. Quite surprised that BMWs aren't being targeted for the DPFs - an acquaintance nearly had a cardiac arrest when the dealer tried to charge him £3000 to replace his DPF....
I'd say it's safer to assume this is a parts theft thing rather than "gold" mining. Several late model cars around here have had light clusters nicked.
tomo
That chap shot outside his house in Battersea
Kosovo Albanian.
Sweden's most wanted man in 2008.
BBC chooses to say "may have had criminal links in Sweden"
tomo
The link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49767195
stewgreen
3:08 PM stewgreen
The amounts of recoverable metal and value of same vary wildly between iterations of the cat - even apparently on the same vehicle.
Several years ago I had a tub of old cat innards (!) which I assumed might pay for a fresh set of nice tyres.
I contacted several refiners who said they would only deal in 500kg lots and that the amount paid would be consequent on a chemical assay of a homogenised sample from each lot....
The proposition that each and every ceramic matrix contains £100 or so worth of platinum / palladium / rhodium is purportedly a myth. I didn't think that the metals went out the exhaust anyway - but the catalyst simply got caked over / smothered by gack to the point where the chemistry can't happen.
More wishful BS from the BBC I guess - is there a link / non BBC source to the claim? It sounds like the regular driving with a litre of fuel in your tank saves fuel thing they are so fond of.
re Drilling Gas
one practice I'm aware of is a two ship combination - a tug with propeller turning is attached to the drill ship which has explosive cutters on the mooring lines and the drill string - first sign of bubbles - *bang* - and foot to the floor.
One colleague in the 1980s had to find a jack up in Myanmar that'd been swallowed by a gas blow out that'd resulted in the entire rig ending up below the seabed with the loss of all hands. I have seen a jack up drilling rig 2/3 swallowed by the seabed in the Persian / Arabian Gulf.
tomo
Ravishing Rabbit. I do know about the Bermuda Triangle. My late wife was aboard the deep sea drilling ship when it was on its Bermuda drilling leg. This had to be significantly delayed while they invented a rig that would prevent any gas found by drilling from escaping the drill hole. The fear was that a significant release might cause a loss of buoyancy and the sinking of the drill ship. For many years the drilling program was confined to sites where gas accumulations were considered most unlikely,
But when it comes to baths, bubbles iz bubbles.
Ak
I suspect that AK knows about bubbles in water and buoyancy but his mind was preoccupied with sproutist thoughts.
Mike Higton, I've wondered if there was a movie to be made about a cruise ship drifting powerless towards a wind farm, to be sliced by the blades. Flatulent whales or disturbed methane clathrates might be a sequel.
TinyCO2
@tomo BBC radio and article claim that cat coverters from hybrids are more valuable cos less corroded
I find that doubtful
Sure a 10 year old will have less Rhodium/platinum than a new
but a high mileage hybrid would be the same
Or could it be that since the vehicle start in electric mode
and switch to petrol when you get going
that that means you miss the dirtiest phase : a hard cold start ?
If that was the case ..you save money by putting in a smaller CatC in the first place
stewgreen
Funnily enough at 1:10pm Vine replayed clips form 2019
one was of retired police who were protesting with XR
Well the police have always infiltrated anarchist groups cos then they got to find where the next demo would be etc.
But interesting how police action has served to increase XR protest rather then decrease it.
stewgreen
"Climate crisis linked to at least 15 $1bn-plus disasters in 2019
Christian Aid report highlights costs of floods, fires and storms around the world"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/27/climate-crisis-linked-to-at-least-15-1bn-plus-disasters-in-2019
"...Experts said the extreme weather and record-breaking temperatures were clearly linked to human actions.
Michael Mann, the director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said: “If anything, 2019 saw even more profound extreme weather events around the world than last year, including wildfires from the Amazon to the Arctic, and devastating out-of-season simultaneous wildfires in California and Australia, winter heatwaves and devastating superstorms.
“With each day now, we are seemingly reminded of the cost of climate inaction in the form of ever-threatening climate change-spiked weather extremes.”..."