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AK, I got that impression too and it explains why post 7 day forecasts are very poor and why skill in forecasting isn't much better than 20 years ago. They might improve forecasts for smaller areas (eg I'm in a weather bubble that isn't exactly the same as even a few miles to each side due to the way clouds react to the hills in Wales and the Pennines) but it doesn't make that much difference.

The justification for each bigger computer is that they'll be better at climate but I don't see those predictions getting better. I want to see them recreate the last 10,000 years. They've got values for all the big players.

Feb 17, 2020 at 1:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

It s my understanding that UK weather forecasts are not based upon computer models but upon comparisons with former weather conditions. Occasionally a weather forecaster will admit on air that their forecasts for their long range (4days ahead) are less accurate because they could not find a unique previous match, especially relating to the speed with which weather fronts might progress across the country. As records accumulate, these instances will become less frequent.

Feb 17, 2020 at 12:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

In my experience computer weather models without ground truthed data inputs are simply hopeless.

I have been tasked on occasion with weather monitoring and consequent operational planning and in that activity I've seen what are obviously simulation runs based on sparse data that are so wrong that at the time had me wondering wtf are these people playing at? - particularly since in many cases the national weather bureaucrats don't use observations from next door..... It's improving but frustratingly one needs to track several agencies simultaneously to get a sensible overview in many places....

Subjectively it isn't an area that I can say that there has been any great improvement in accuracy of prediction out beyond 72 hours. You have the prevailing weather "upwind" for say the N. Atlantic but when stuff starts swirling around it mostly goes to hell in a handcart.

earth.nullschool.net has imho been the biggest innovation in weather in the last 10 years and it has driven a host of derivative products and flat out copies - if only the graphics and not the underlying open data model.

The Met Office is a bureaucracy that has over quite a period shown itself to be more attuned to political pork barrelling and prevailing managerial fads than to delivering a provably accurate product. I don't recall seeing an offshore project that use UKMO forecast product for simply ages...... It is jarring to see advertising for random stuff on their web site - I haven't been there for ages and frankly it's the last place I'd go to these days beyond their rainfall radar product.

Feb 17, 2020 at 12:35 PM | Registered Commentertomo

If you want to see just how poor the computer based weather forecasts are try this. Take a screen shot of the next 24,48,hrs etc and then compare them with the live radar. It reveals just how rubbish they are especially in the longer term. This also illustrates what futile rubbish the climate models are. Any scientist should acknowledge predicting a multivariable multicoupled chaotic system is a nonsense!

Feb 17, 2020 at 12:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Are Cambridgeshire Police using emergency powers to REOPEN the roads after XR occupied them ?

No, they tweeted this instead
"We are using emergency police powers to CLOSE two city centre roads."
https://twitter.com/CambridgeCops/status/1228992502960730112

Feb 17, 2020 at 11:08 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Feb 17, 2020 at 9:57 AM AK
In the early 1980s I was working in New Hampshire. I was amazed by the accuracy of the weather forecasts made 2-3 days previously. In hindsight, the weather systems had been tracked and measured on land for a few thousand miles before they arrived.

The last 2 weekends have seen storms over the UK, forecast warnings were broadcast 5+(?) days previously, as they had been tracked across America and then via satellite across the Atlantic.

For rainfall now, will it start or stop, I use Rainfall Radar.

I am happy to accept and acknowledge the improvements in weather forecasting. The Met Office had to accept that its seasonal weather forecasts were not fit for purpose. I hope they can improve their 10-14 day weather forecasts, rather than waste too much effort on 10-100 years.

Feb 17, 2020 at 11:04 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

BBC Cambridge reporter "Not everyone is happy with the XR roadblock"
"the police say there is nothing unpeaceful about blocking a highway"
... does that sound impartial ??

Then a Labour Party activist states he is opposed to this strongly action
audio 2h48m
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p081v5f7

The strong evidence that XR blocked a blue lights ambulance is that when XR_Cambridge put up a tweet denying it, they actually then deleted it.

There is a lorry driver is heard speaking against the increase in carbon caused by the XR diversion.

Then interview with one of the protesters who has travelled from Birmingham for the protest

Feb 17, 2020 at 11:01 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Re the Met Office's new computer......much needed so they can be wrong more accurately!

Feb 17, 2020 at 10:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterMike Higton

Inside the Commission there is an “epic battle between those who want change and those who don’t,” said one EU official, who accused DG AGRI of using “destructive wave of actions to block change.”"
Feb 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Mark Hodgson

This is sad, and proves that the Green Blob and EU have combined to ensure self destruction.

The original purpose of the Common Market and its post War predecessor was to ensure member states did not suffer food shortages leading to civil strife and ultimately war.

If well salaried EU officials think that the EU Electorates will be happy with food shortages and price inflation, they should be fed cattle cake for a year.

Feb 17, 2020 at 10:29 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Mark I think you maybe correct that weather forecasting hour by hour for days ahead in regions of high relief may be extremely difficult and could be impossible on a "micro" scale even with future computer technology. I hate to tell you this,but in my flat part of the world we have it for most of the time. I can look at a detailed forecast for several days hence and be reasonably assured that if it's predicted to rain at a certain time, that has a reasonable chance of being accurate.
I am reminded of the accuracy of wristwatches. When I was young, watches I could afford were terrible timekeepers losing minutes every few hours. With the appearance of digital watches you knew the time accurately almost to the second and life changed.
I'm sorry the new super-duper computer is not for the likes of you, it's for us flat-earthers and for the climatically stressed.

Feb 17, 2020 at 9:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterAK

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