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Discussion > FLOP26 Ep6 Ben Pile with Rupert Darwell

Friday 1pm Historian Rupert Darwall joins the Livestream to talk about the curious history of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (the COP meetings),
and the strange economics of climate policy,
such as Rishi Sunak's promise to 'rewire' the global economy...

Direct link to Minute 10 where it starts

Nov 5, 2021 at 11:03 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Again here are the notes I jotted

#0 "Please share these videos"
Don't get bogged down in tchnical detail
Look how Boris anti-referendum claims have been debunked by many time
We need historical understanding of how we got to COP26
nort just science claims exag, MPs get hoodwinking
Shows ideological underpinnings
and the LIE that it's about saving the planet

#1 His Books #1
When did we see progress against NATURE as negative ?
with : Silent Spring
& .. Blueprint for Survival by Goldsmith brother

#2 His book Green Tyranny
Sweden and Germany angle
Sweden : Acid rain was used to push pro-nuclear and demonise coal
German Greens came later and used the same fear technique to DEMONISE nuclear
(That's a good analogy
Germany stopping nuclear was wrong, just as rusing to end Fossil Fuels is wrong)
(commenter reckins Boris is anti-nuclear otherwise he'd have done a strong push for nuclear)

#3 Ben "So politics preceding science"
Politics comes first then the clain
First acid rain report was written BB who later become first chair of IPCC

#4 ​The 2 degree limit was entirely POLITICAL
EU wanted to define what dangerous AGW means
enviro minsters decided that 2C
... and then ratched it to 1.5C

(@ gufpott : ​I read 1.5C as an acknowledgement that climate sensitivity is much lower than "hoped for".
So the needed to argue for a lower point where disaster assumed to start)

#5 COP26 UK gov was naive, wanted to rewrite Paris Accord, which was 2C
(By 2050 everyone will be flying to the COP conference.)

#6 Maurice Strong the genius "The policy is the process, getting it snowballing"

#7 Clip :SkyNews Iceberg stunt "metaphor"
Truth : Greenland would take thousands of years to melt
Media love symbolism..not science

#8 clip Nadeem Zahawi MP saying children must have Climate Crisis education
That's brainwashing
Why aren't young people rising up about being shafted ?
Cos they are being a false promiise that the governments are concerned about them
whereas in reality living standards are declining .. can't buy houses etc.
opportunities being taken for young.

(commenters complained about their own kids being brainwashed at school, having to conform)

#9 clip : "Lights out for coal"
Yet only 25 countries have joined up, mostly poor
It's really an agreement between banks
... Truth is half of world coal is China ..and India is behind that
Biggest losers will be Africa if denied easy coal

#10 Kyoto excluded developing world ...failed cos big emitters like US out
"The first X days to save the planet" quotes from G Brown, P Charles

Copenhagen vetoed too by Brazil, India
Paris ... gave countries a way of setting own limits
COP26 UK tried to push further .., so failed

#11 why 2C to 1.5C limit ?
Paris got small island states pushing for 1.5C
Spurious ..cos they are NOT REALLY on the frontline
- Small island rise out of the ocan
- Temp doesn't rise much over water
but "1.5 to Survive" is a good sob story
It's contradicted by land GAIN reports
(​BBC headline from 2010 - "Low-lying Pacific islands 'growing not sinking' - yet still the meme continues)

Paris asked IPCC to do a report about getting NetZero in SECOND half of 21C
So date shifted to 2050
No legal basis
... smoke and mirrors ..fabrication

#12 UK CCC reports would be reported in the media
as if they were science facts
The slight of hand, the CCC were told to say X, so they said X

Nov 5, 2021 at 11:04 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

#13 Rishi Sunak ... huge huge numbers
praising Mark Carney, saying $130trn to be deployed
"Rewire global financial system for net-zero"
Most reckless speech ever made
Forcing pension funds in favoured Climate projects , not what they want
Super dangerous distortion of the market.

point #16 ​is connected
ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance.
Carney believes markets need to be guided
(​Green politics is characterised by RIGGING markets)

(@gufpott: ​Banks cannot learn the lessons.
They messed up in 2008, and here they go again )

Nov 5, 2021 at 11:04 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

#14 Clip : Boris doomsday device narrative
Disgraceful belittling of progress from Industrial Revolution
NOT rational ..enviro is anti-enlightenmentism
Their solutions have a BIGGER environmental impact NOT less
"to save a village we have to destroy it "

#15 Most of these people are involved in intanglibles
: Silicon valley, wall street, royal family except Musk
(No Musk sells fantasies)

#16 see above

#17 Weird that LEFT are aligned with the plutocrats
cos this reform is hitting the workers
eg Aberdeen will be hit ..wages killed
dbl whammy their costs will go up
(​so their Greenlob MO is "to save a village we have to destroy it ")
(​Leftists have akways been with the elites not the workers)

#18 Warns of workers rising up like Trump, Brexit
Ben plugged petition
(​the petition has hit just 10 thousand, so a response will happen.
100,000 gets a debate in parliament)
RD says Labour Party will suffer

#19 Climate policies are far more damaging than EU membership

#20 Public don't think the super punishment will happen
They still don't under
Professor James Woodhausen

#21
(Commenter : They built the Titanic, UK government built COP26
both flawed
Boris is the captain)

(​A rich guy in India gets no CO2 punishment
​but a poor worker in UK gets loads of CO2 punishment .. fair ? )

(​They claim we need to RUSH. therefore checks/balances are out of the window )

Nov 5, 2021 at 11:06 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen