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R4 850am ASA finally say "Greens Lie"
"Here we have an FoE spokesman"
: 'They never said we lied, and even if the claims were unproven ..we think they are true now'
Facepalm... Talking about sand causes cancer claim etc.
"But you have agreed not to make any future such claims"
: 'yeh but yeh but yeh'
stewgreen
@EM
just out of curiosity - what proportion of your energy usage comes from "renewables"?
btw - linking Joe Romm ? eye-roll / head shake - you'll have to do better than that.
tomo
Bye, bye, fossil fuels. Renewables have dropped in cost by more than 40% since 2008 as their market penetration grows.
Entropic man
Brussels largesse with OPM - (copied and pasted from (sorry...) the Daily Express) - I must assume that "climate aid" is from smother budget that the Express has yet to discover.... 4.2 billion in a fortnight - Santa must've drafted in subcontractors.
December 5
Tunisia (£182m): Support towards Tunisia's transition to a modern democracy
December 6
Lebanon and Iraq (£119m): To help overstretched host communities with migrants
December 7
Burkina Faso (£682m): Financial support to the new government and spending on access to clean drinking water
December 9
Benin (£157m): Topping up the country’s national budget and bankrolling decentralisation of power
December 12
Colombia (£511m): Support for peace deal between government and FARC rebels
December 14
Sahel region and Lake Chad Basin (£325m): Tackling the root causes of instability and irregular migration
Africa (£1bn): Topping up EU trust fund for Africa and supporting programmes aimed at reducing migration
December 15
Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea, Uganda and Djibouti (£145m): Tackling the root causes of instability, irregular migration and forced displacement
Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Chad, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Côte d'Ivoire and Libya (£85m): Funds to support migrant protection and reintegration into society
Niger (£520m): Supporting the reform and state-building efforts of the government
December 16
Libya, Tunisia and Morocco (£31.5m): Funding to assist migrants, including fighting xenophobia and racism
Iraq (£21m): Humanitarian aid
December 20
Kenya (£89m): EU Commission support for small scale agriculture
Egypt (£358m): New EU Facility for Inclusive Growth and Job Creation launched
tomo
tomo, please be fair about The Guardian. Their Climate Science Experts are second to none, when it comes to broadcasting the Hockey Teamster delusions, and they have helped expose the sham to a wider audience with all their fresh ideas so neatly copied and pasted from the best funded sources.
golf charlie
@Pcar
the comment is gone... I just echoed some existing commentary about seismic surveys that was spread across a number of other comments - since I have some experience in that activity.
I'd forgotten that that particular account had been pre-modded some 2 years ago for something similar and the indignation that the block was still in place just "triggered" me....
It really wouldn't bother me if The Guardian was a no-mark flyer for a religious cult - but it isn't - it still enjoys significant penetration in the public sector, particularly education.
The Guardian is following The Independent's trajectory into irrelevance - they seem for the most part to have even worse reporters and lower analytical resources than the Indy - the slide being restrained by the deep pockets of the Scott Trust.
In other news - ICYMI - I certainly did .... Lifestyle tracking for employees .
tomo
@tomo
I understand and share your anger.
Good news is that <32% and falling of USA residents trusted MSM at end of 2016.
As we're told, what starts in USA comes to UK soon. Trust of UK MSM will continue to fall too.
I had the misfortune to listen to some BBC World Service last night. Two women preaching about the threats of Global Warming. Soon the world will be rejecting MSM as it does not address the issues the majority are concerned about.
Re: "and factual, verifiable references is what got me into pre-moderation...."
Please repost your comment here
Pcar
M Courtney , Pcar
I did indeed see the comments taking the various antis to task - and factual, verifiable references is what got me into pre-moderation....
I wouldn't ordinarily bother with this kerrapp but ... similarly framed garbage will be (already has been?) pushed out via The Indy, The Press Association and The BBC .
The refusal of the MSM to deal with the verifiable evidence, the repeated deployment of contrived FUD, the pandering to eco-nutters with an extended back catalog of lies, the parroting of "anti-capitalist" student politics slogans and name calling - just occasionally boils my wee.
I continually have versions of these pieces repeated back to me by folk who still , apparently - have some trust in the media - I know I'm likely preaching to the converted here... but it is just an appalling indictment of the state of public debate that the matter is flooded with this toxic, ignorant, emotionally incontinent advocacy that goes mostly unchallenged.
Written up by a GMG "business" scribe too...
Of course, if the Guardian had printed the truth, there would be no story. So they go with lies, omissions, distortions and misrepresentation of which Goebbels would be proud. Sad, nasty little rag.
Can't The National Trust's eco wingnut chief Helen Goshbygolly organise something with St. Kilda? A test case in sustainability? There's lots of wind....
tomo
@stewgreen, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:39 PM
PS Did you.hear about dementia creating aluminum contaminating water to certain Norfolk houses ?
Aluminium consumption (work, cooking utensils etc) and Dementia was being researched in early 1990s where I worked during Uni summer hols.
Pcar
Entropic Man, the first link, I could not access (probably my internet connection), the second link is tarred and smeared by Joe Romm, and is not a reliable source about Unreliable power.
I think the US power generation industry is about to be regenerated, and I am not sure that Unreliables are going to fare too well in 2017.