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Agreed, Chris M.

Jan 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

shub, as I have said a few times already, Richard Betts is constrained by his status as a civil servant, and not only that but as a member of an organisation that has propped up the AGW meme for many years. At least he is willing to engage and exchange views, in stark contrast to the Team, for instance. What do we expect him to do, resign on principle and impoverish his family? Others may disagree, but I believe he is a good-hearted person of influence whose involvement here we should encourage. Driving him away is silly and self-defeating, imho. He has been very tolerant of random venting and hostility for a long time now, and I'm not surprised he's had enough.

In short, I like Richard Betts, and don't think I'm being naive in thinking he could play a big part in a renewed, climate rational Met Office.

Jan 7, 2013 at 8:55 AM | Unregistered CommenterChris M

NW,

obviously I think there's a monkey to catch, the more polarised and entrenched the debate, the longer it will take for them to admit their mistakes.

Some people enjoy the war more than winning, however.

Jan 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

11:15 PM Dung

I think if one looks at pretty much any area of UK government (both local and national) and compare and contrast with what's the "norm" in EU nations it's pretty obvious that our public servants show an unhealthy enthusiasm for embroidering and gold plating guidelines, polices and last but not least - EU directives that drives them to bouts of oneupmanship and mission creep that are deeply damaging to the country.

The CCA is merely one facet of this behavior. Everywhere one looks, public institutions are busying themselves with provincial interpretation of of "regulation" and policy - simultaneously ignoring the routine required essential functions that keep our society functioning - where there isn't much scope for expanding bureaucracy.

This is a very slippery slope.

Jan 7, 2013 at 12:33 AM | Registered Commentertomo

The "Discussions" on this blog have become very scientific recently so my apologies for reintroducing the dreaded politics ^.^ however I thought this was an interesting quote from a recent article by Nigel Lawson:

Under the Climate Change Act, as it is currently structured, the government is legally bound to cut Britain’s carbon emissions by 34 per cent by the end of this decade. The rest of the EU, on the other hand, has only committed to 20 per cent. So the Climate Change Act needs revision.

Jan 6, 2013 at 11:15 PM | Registered CommenterDung

The truth about dead bats and wind farms
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/01/the-truth-about-dead-bats-and-wind-farms/

"Every year in Spain alone — according to research by the conservation group SEO/Birdlife — between 6 and 18 million birds and bats are killed by wind farms."

Some quite good follow up points are made as well!

Jan 6, 2013 at 10:54 PM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

TBYJ, you are assuming there is a monkey to catch, and that "climate communication" is a two way process.

Jan 6, 2013 at 9:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterNW

I've just been reading John Kehr's 'Incovenient Skeptic'. Its a good read presenting some new perspectives (for me) on the Earth's climate and its sensitivities.

I'm surprised to find such little commentary on it, although it was published more than a year ago.

I don't have the expertise to scrutinise his arguments in detail, so would be interested in others' views on it.

Jan 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM | Unregistered Commenteroakwood

All true shub, but gently gently catchy monkey, and I'm afraid some have been just too heavy handed here, and continue to be so. I'm near the end myself on the GHE thread now that certain people are back in it the tone has gone. It's a shame.

Jan 6, 2013 at 4:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Richard Betts at Tallbloke:

I’m afraid I find it virtually impossible to have a sensible scientific conversation on Bishop Hill these days, somebody nearly always jumps in and starts demanding answers to questions that are irrelevant to the topic, or over-analyses what I say, or is generally offensive – or they get offended when I dip in and out of conversations because of limited time.

I would agree to truth being behind parts of this. But hopefully Betts knows that there have been on-topic questions and criticisms that he cannot respond to, simply because he just doesn't have the answers.

Jan 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM | Registered Commentershub

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