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This deserve a wide circulation, getting all sceptical again....

from the Mail:

"This toxic lake poisons Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what's left behind after making the magnets for Britain's latest wind turbines... and, as a special Live investigation reveals, is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem

Read more:

The impacts of green technology / pollution in China making the technolgies..

of course as it is out of sight of the west, people can smugly drive there priuses and go on about green technology…

Jan 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Check out Autonomous Mind - The Met Office lied about the 'secret' prediction of an extremely cold winter...

An FOI request produced an mail late October, Met office to Government says No clear signals

'A slightly increased risk of a cold start, but indications of a risk (in what way?) of a mild end of the winter season.

Points out, that the BBC's Roger Harrabin is in a difficult place with this as well.

Jan 28, 2011 at 11:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

This is serious! I can see this causing hysteria.

Jan 28, 2011 at 4:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterKevin



Jan 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Hewitt

Find out how climate is going to affect your region!

'This summary report is the first step in understanding what
climate change could mean to the Region and what we can
do to minimise further climate change. It is accompanied by
a technical report for the specialist reader that describes in
more detail the climate change models that were used, the
impacts of climate change in the Region, the stakeholder
discussions, the background to the Region and its
greenhouse gas emissions.
The climate of the East Midlands has changed over the last
century and is expected to change in the 21st century.
In the last century temperatures across the Region
increased by over 0.5ºC. The pattern of rainfall has
changed - by 1999 there was more rain in the winter and
less in the summer. Sea levels have risen on the East Coast
by between 1 and 2 mm a year and there were more
storms in the 1990s than the rest of the 20th century.
Predictions of the climate in the 21st century show that
there is the possibility of a further increase in the Region’s
temperature of up to 3ºC by the end of the century and
further changes in rainfall patterns. Sea level rise could be in
the range 22-83cm on the East Coast by the middle of the

The climate of the East Midlands has changed over the last
century and is expected to change in the 21st century.

No shit!

In the last century temperatures across the Region
increased by over 0.5ºC.

So that's 0.5ºC per century then.

The pattern of rainfall has
changed - by 1999 there was more rain in the winter and
less in the summer.

And by 2010 more snow in the winter and less in the summer.

Predictions of the climate in the 21st century show that
there is the possibility of a further increase in the Region’s
temperature of up to 3ºC by the end of the century and
further changes in rainfall patterns.

So 0.5ºC increase in the last century and 3ºC increase in this one, yep, right, I don't think so.

As far as sea level rise then how far off the mark can you get. The suggested figures give an increase from 1900 levels to 2050 of 9 foot. Bye bye Skeggy only another what, 9 foot to go then in the next 39 years.

Jan 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

A Less Mighty Wind

Three reasons wind power could wane

By Peter Fairley / January 2011

Wind turbines wring energy out of a free-flowing fuel ¬supply that may be losing some of its punch. Surface winds appear to be weakening across the Northern Hemisphere, including in the United States, Western Europe, and China—the world's top three markets for wind power. And climate change threatens to weaken them further during this century as faster warming over northern ¬latitudes trims the temperature gradients that energize airflows.
China could be the hardest hit, according to modeling by University of Texas–Austin research scientist Diandong Ren in the November issue of the Journal of Renewable and Sustainable Energy. He projects a 4 to 12 percent decrease in wind speeds in China for the last three decades of the 21st century (compared to the corresponding decades of the 20th). Since the energy in wind increases with the cube of the wind speed, Ren estimates that the slower winds would trim power from Chinese turbines by at least 14 percent.
There is now little doubt that China's surface winds are already slowing. Independent analyses published in 2009 and 2010 found that recent readings from weather station anemometers were lower than those taken in the 1960s and 1950s. In both cases, the majority of Chinese stations reported slowing near-surface winds, and the largest declines occurred in the windiest regions—in the north, on the Tibetan Plateau, and along China's coastline.
Comparable stilling is occurring across the Northern Hemisphere, according to an October report by a team centered at France's Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et l'Environnement (LSCE). Their report in the journal Nature Geosciences found that winds slowed by 5 to 15 percent over almost all continental areas in the northern midlatitudes between 1979 and 2008.
Experts in the wind-power industry pooh-pooh such warnings. Peter Thomas, a senior engineer with the wind energy consultancy GL Garrad Hassan, based in Bristol, England, concedes that the projections are of a scale that could "impact the economics of the wind-power industry." But he questions their veracity.
Thomas argues that data sets from anemometers are not robust enough to support such interdecadal comparisons, because measurement practices were poorly standardized as recently as the 1980s and may be corrupted by construction around weather stations, many of which are at airports or near cities. "It is important to separate these potential influences from the measured data before conclusions are drawn," says Thomas.
That data-quality critique is wearing thin, however, according to Jean-Noël Thépaut, who runs the data division for the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts in Reading, England, and is a coauthor of the French report. Thépaut says the team applied a stringent screen to remove questionable anemometer data, narrowing its analysis to reports from just 822 out of roughly 10 000 possible anemometers worldwide. "My colleagues from LSCE have been very careful with the quality control," says Thépaut.
Still, even Thépaut sees unanswered questions, starting with why winds are slowing and whether the stilling will continue. The French study identified climate change as the most likely cause of stilling over central Asia, which means Ren's modeling could well foretell a less productive future for wind power in China.
But the French modelers pegged forests as the primary culprit behind the stilling in other regions. Their modeling showed a correlation between wind reductions and forest regrowth. As they grow, trees increase the roughness of Earth's surface and could be responsible for up to 60 percent of the stilling observed over North America and Western Europe, the modelers estimate. However, the effect on the wind industry might be minimal, because industrial wind turbines tower above most trees, their hubs supported on structures that commonly stand 60 to 100 meters tall. The average anemometer tower is just 10 meters tall. Thépaut says his colleagues plan to figure out if turbines will really be above the fray in the months ahead by analyzing wind-speed data from air-balloon-based weather stations called radiosondes.
There is one source of waning wind that turbines cannot rise above: neighboring wind farms. Here, too, modeling reveals previously unforeseen impacts on wind speed. For example, Arno Brand, a wind modeler at the Energy Research Centre for the Netherlands, in Petten, projects that wind "shadows" behind installed wind farms will sap the productivity of some planned offshore wind projects in the Dutch zone of the North Sea.
Brand's modeling suggests that wind farms must be spaced at least 10 to 30 kilometers apart to keep speed reductions from such shadows below 0.5 meters per second—and even that reduction translates to a 14 percent power loss for a turbine seeing 9.5-m/s wind instead of 10 m/s. Brand says this Dutch problem could become a diplomatic dispute, because the United Kingdom has plans of its own to build what would be three of the world's largest offshore wind farms just upwind of Dutch waters. "These farms are going to produce considerable wind shadows that will affect the most important Dutch zones," says Brand.
While slowing winds could shave value off wind farms or complicate their planning, none of the modelers estimates that the impacts will eliminate the advantage that has made wind power the world's fastest-growing energy source: its supply of virtually carbon-free power at a cost that's comparable to that of fossil fuels. As Thomas points out, it is fossil fuels that are the truly unpredictable fuel source. Even before factoring in their likely contribution to global climate change, the economic cost of fossil fuels is already far harder to predict than the wind will ever be, he says. "In the last 10 years, the cost of a barrel of oil has varied between $20 and $150. The wind is free."

Jan 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterScientistForTruth

fao John Hewitt.

Have added the fullist of LIsbon attendees

Jan 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Doese anyboby know much about Robert A Brown (Bob A Brown) is in the scheme of the debate?
(an Emitus Professor of Atmsopheric Physics..)

He did a drive by on my blog, and on his blog quoted me, and labelled me a deniar blog.

Without the courtesy, of linking, or showing my response to his question.

I only just discovered this and have responded on his blog.

Jan 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

When we were discussing Shale Gas it was difficult to find an unbiased view, I just came upon this piece in the FT (not behind a paywall for once)

Debate over shale gas decline fires up

By John Dizard

Published: October 10

(this has a familiar ring to it)

"The science of modelling shale gas deposits is getting better, but is still under-developed given the capital and policy commitment to the industry."

"Today’s high-tech shale wells combine complex horizontal drilling with perhaps a couple of dozen “frac stages”, or high pressure fracturing of gas-bearing rock.

The high initial production and decline rates represent the fruits of this work. Once those fractures are drained, though, the inherently denser shale deposits give up much less gas than the sandstones that provided the original model for the industry’s decline curves. The science of modelling shale gas deposits is getting better, but is still under-developed given the capital and policy commitment to the industry.

Of course, many investors are happy to commit based on some dealer’s PowerPoint with little cartoon gas rigs. So shale gas now takes well over half of the US industry’s capital expenditure budget. That is only the ante on a very large gamble on our energy future."

Jan 27, 2011 at 1:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterFrosty

Californian court lists the faults of wind power normally kept away from the public

"We reject the application because we find that the Manzana Wind Project is not cost-competitive and poses unacceptable risks to ratepayers. We find that the proposed cost of the Manzana Wind Project is significantly higher than other resources PG&E can procure to meet its RPS program goal. Moreover, it will subject the ratepayers to unacceptable risks due to potential cost increases resulting from project under-performance, less than forecasted project life, and any delays which might occur concerning transmission upgrades and commercial online date. As a proposed utility-owned generation project, ratepayers would pay a lump sum cost rather than a performance based cost for the Manzana Wind Project. Therefore, ratepayers would be at risk if the project underperforms. In particular, if the Manzana Wind Project fails to achieve production as expected for any reason such as construction delays or curtailments as a result of a collision with a California condor, shareholders face no risks while customers could incur increased costs. In contrast, under a power purchase agreement, project owners rather than ratepayers bear the risk of project performance...."

Jan 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

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