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Mar 28, 2013 at 10:11 AM | Robin Guenier

Only just seen your alert, been busy moving my tiny nest egg out of the sun and back into the permafrost that is the UK. My only fear is that it is now lying in Embra and if Wee Eck gets his way next year, there may come a time in the near future when I may have to shift it again; but where?

Anyway, I popped over to the dark side and lo and behold, Alice has turned up:

By Alice, on 28 March 2013 - 13:25 |

I appreciate Neil and Ed’s frustrations.

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It’s unfortunate that our stories on climate change seem to attract a lot of attention from people who seem to be here more to fight than have a constructive debate - and not really from the communities dopes like us that the site was set up for

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If you don’t want this space to become a site for particular types of discussions I suggest you avoid engaging with them. It’s unlikely you’ll change someone’s mind on something so large and intricate in a NLP comment.

I certainly agree with Alice " It’s unlikely you’ll change someone’s mind on something so large and intricate in a NLP comment." but not in the way she means, rather what I have been saying to you in trying to preserve your well-being.

Their knickers are certainly in a twist, so that is a good result in itself.

Mar 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterBrownedoff

It was! Your contributions here on BH, and there on NLP, are admirable to say the least. I am an admirer anyway!

Mar 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

Thanks, John - I think that was a compliment.

Doubtless I'll be told it's all a waste of time, but I've also had another exchange with Daniel Levy (who believes, "those who are sceptical about catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming are not right, for the same reasons that creationists are not right"). I even included a reference to the Economist.

Mar 28, 2013 at 1:40 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

At the risk of being grossly tasteless, I am inclined to borrow the words of a popular leftie in describing the efforts of Robin and Geoff and Ben and Rhoda, saluting their indefatigability etc, although they were the words of an odious man to an evil one, both socialists. In our case, in contrast, I think we are all on the side of the angels with some us suffering a list to port and others not.

Mar 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

Actually, it's less than 0.04%. The ppm figure is much more impressive, of course!

Mar 28, 2013 at 1:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P


My thoughts exactly. I only wish they would ask the next warmologist they get to interview what the actual figure is - I'm sure it would come as a surprise to both!

Mar 28, 2013 at 1:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Rhoda, Geoff

Shaw does seem to be tying himself in knots trying (not) to answer your and Robin's remarks.

I was rather amused by the reference from a supporter to 'consumer tat', which makes me wonder what they do for clothes, heating, transport and communications. I remember George Monbiot wrestling with this when he finally bought his Renault Clio, although this is undermined somewhat by his appetite for jetting around the world telling people how to cut down on their CO2 output...

Mar 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

"Wonderfully revealing slip by R4 Today presenter in an aside with Melvyn Bragg, who was trailing his discussion about water, the "second most abundant molecule". He couldn't remember what the first was, so she ventured "CO2?"

Only a Beeboid would think that!" Mar 28, 2013 at 9:29 AM | jamesp

I also heard her. But it's hardly surprising, given that "warmists" rarely if ever mention that CO2 is less than 0.4% of the atmosphere; to do so might attract sceptical questions. Listening to their propaganda one might deduce that it's more like 40%.

Mar 28, 2013 at 12:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterCassio

Sorry Geoff, I thought there must be something in the parts I missed when my eyes glazed over. I thought perhaps that all that flannel contained meanings I am not wise enough to see. So you can't see it either?

I see it as Eloi vs Morlocks. We see them as effete aethereal beings who don't inhabit the same world as us, they see us as brutal philistines unable to see how wonderful it would all be if only...zzzz

Mar 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM | Registered Commenterrhoda

If you know what solution Shaw has in mind, you’re a better person than me. He doesn’t like environmentalism, capitlism anarchism or communism. He thinks the way to increase wealth is not economic growth but “struggle”. Sounds Biblical - “by the sweat of your brow” and all that.
The fact that the NLP can’t come up with anyone better than Shaw says a lot about the left today. They’re fine as long as they’re on subjects where having the correct opinion is all that counts, like the rights of whales and transsexuals, but anything which requires factual knowledge, like science or climate change or why the toaster’s packed up, and their opinions count for little.
You could write the story of the decline of the left in terms of the dangers of not reading the instructions on the packet.

Mar 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

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