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SandyS: that James Hansen is one of the scientists critical of wind and solar power is not a surprise. See this. An extract:

The tragedy is that many environmentalists line up on the side of the fossil fuel industry, advocating renewables as if they, plus energy efficiency, would solve the global climate change matter.

Can renewable energies provide all of society's energy needs in the foreseeable future? It is
conceivable in a few places, such as New Zealand and Norway. But suggesting that renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the United States, China, India, or the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.

Nov 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Daily Mirror shouts: Brent is a Frack Free Zone!"

So... can we turn off all the gas mains into the borough?

Nov 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Daily Mail Online
Scientists urge climate groups to back nuclear power as they warn wind and solar will not be enough to fulfil world's energy needs

Scientists including one James Hansen.

Daily Mail

Nov 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

stewgreen

yeah, "The Echo" has previous and some of the fracking stories read like early 1950s пра̑вда

Nov 4, 2013 at 10:00 AM | Registered Commentertomo

@tomo Fill, in the blank - The price of which ____ (comodity) would drop dramatically if the CAGW scare ended
Is it possible that Alexander Lebedev owner of The Independent and Evening Standard or his close Russian Oiligarch friends have investments in __ ?
- Yes Indy has spun heavily towards CAGW for years
but I notice these days it's gone the same as Guardian in brazenly reporting things it must know are lies,

Nov 4, 2013 at 9:51 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

SandyS

yup - The airborne saliva in the comments is just simply amazing.

My test comment was "The English EA (Ignoring Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) has more staff than all the environment agencies of other EU states combined - why?"

I hadn't thought about the quantity of pond clearers pictured - maybe the editorial staff are a little subversive? - I do hope so :-)

fwiw - we are unequivocally biased

Nov 4, 2013 at 9:42 AM | Registered Commentertomo

The BBC reports on Berlin's referendum yesterday for renationalising its electricity supply; it looks like Berliners have narrowly voted in favour of keeping the current providers:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24800129

There has been disappointment in Germany that privatisation of the energy grid has not always led to the hoped-for falls in prices and improvements in quality.

The switch from nuclear to solar and wind power has also led to a steep rise in electricity costs.

But the authorities in Berlin - which is already 60bn euros (£50bn; $80bn) in debt - said the city could not afford to renationalise the grid.

It has already bought back its water supply, and officials argued that buying the electricity grid as well would be too expensive.

For those watching the fortunes of Germany's "Energiewende", this may be the start of an interesting experiment. Hamburg has recently voted to "re-communalise" its energy supplies and Berlin has just voted against. We should be able to see which city does better, in the months and years to come.

Nov 4, 2013 at 9:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

tomo
Having read the comments it's not surprising you ended up in Room 101. Did you see the responses this provoked

I didn't know there were that many of them; they must be falling over each other. 10,000? That's an Army Division!

The picture in article is pretty good too, 7 people dealing with a garden pond

Nov 4, 2013 at 8:46 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Komment Mach Frei - extended?

The Independent comment moderation is pretty heavy handed by the look of it. Tested moderation (mildly) on this story from different geographic locations. The chute into Room 101 seems fully operational. Perhaps they should consider re-branding as "The Echo".

Nov 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Tweeted just now by the editor of the Spectator

Fraser Nelson@FraserNelson
I love it. Chris Huhne tells the press it needs to "re-establish credibility".

gu.com/p/3k47f/tw

via @guardian

Nov 3, 2013 at 11:14 PM | Registered CommenterPharos

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