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Copenhagen was the turning point in the demise of the Climate Scam - mainly due to the so called 'Climategate' debacle - none the less it still has 'legs'. But the control over our lives that it once had is waning.
Prophets of gloom here..and then this..
Obama and the Chicago scam here Obama's role in this dubious affair is well enough documented - what credibillity does he really possess? And then look at this threadbare Paris 'Accord".
Kleinefeldmaus
@golf charlie
Did Tommy Robinson consider any of the consequences to others, of his deliberate attempt to blow-up a trial?
Again: Trial was over. Jury retired to deliberate evidence and reach verdict.
Pcar
somebody relatively prominent turned up was unwelcome and viewed as a threat and a challenge to the authorities ongoing efforts to downplay the incidents and yes.... cover up.
Jun 2, 2018 at 11:10 PM | tomo
and Mike Fowle
You are forgetting the rights of the witnesses/victims AND defendants to a fair trial, fair verdict and fair outcome for all present. Taxpayers are footing the bill, which may include Defence costs, should the trial require a re-run. There is also the 3rd Trial. As with the 1st, and this, the 2nd, I have no background information.
Tommy Robinson deliberately decided to make this trial all about him. If he wants to appeal his sentence, should Taxpayers have to pay the costs?
Should any of the Defendants in this Trial be found Guilty, and then appeal the Verdict on grounds linked to interference by Tommy Robinson, should Tommy Robinson be held liable for the costs incurred by Taxpayers? It could be £millions.
Did Tommy Robinson consider any of the consequences to others, of his deliberate attempt to blow-up a trial? Apart from the fact that he is alive and will be enjoying Her Majesty's finest Christmas turkey, what makes Tommy Robinson believe he has better morals than a Moslem terrorist with a suicide bomb, that only maims but doesn't kill?
Should the victims/witnesses be able to sue Tommy Robinson for emotional stress? It could be £millions.
If Tommy Robinson fears for his own safety in prison, he can apply for Segregation under Rule 43, helpfully explained here:
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no10/prison.htm
'Nonces' or 'Bacons' (sex offenders) and other 'Protection-heads' (debtors, grasses, cell thieves etc.) are usually segregated for their own safety under Prison Rule 45 (formerly 43). They should not be confused with prisoners held in the block (the segregation unit) under Prison Rule 45 GOAD (Good Order and Discipline).
golf charlie
Hey that Scott Adams is good
I always see the libmob & Alarmist debate tactic : Misrepresent/Smear-Label/Dismiss/Runaway
Adams calls is the "So what you are saying" opening
What you have just said contradicts their worldview so they first have to MISREPRESENT or re-arrange what you said to make it fit their worldview.
.."that's cos they have Cognitive Dissonance" he says
Near start of his 1 hour video
stewgreen
@golf charlie, Jun 2, 2018 at 1:05 AM
Pcar: "They're anti-islam stance is due to islam's "kill all infidels" teaching. There is no anti Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, prod/cath, atheist policy as they do not want to murder others."Is that from the Gospel of St Tommy Robinson? Don't your views identify you as a dangerous religious extremist, inciting hatred?
None so bigoted and dangerous as religious extremists. You can see, but you need to open your eyes, in front of a mirror.
Disliking Islam - due to its threat to our existence - whilst having no problem with other religions or atheists is not religious bigotry. Islam hating all other religions & atheists is religious bigotry.
Pcar
@Rhoda Klapp, Jun 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM & Jun 2, 2018 at 12:30 PM
Am I a bigot because I don't like Islam? I do not like Islam. Moderate or extreme. I've worked in Islamic countries, I get on fine with the people, but the submission required of that religion is repulsive. The fact is that unlike Judaism, Sikhism and Buddhism Islam is a prosetylizing religion.
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That's not all but it will do for now. I am at the stage in problem-solving where you define the problem. I don't endorse any solutions until the definition phase is over. It hasn't begun because you can't express views like mine in a public forum without being decried as a racist, bigot, far-right fanatic etc.
+1 Agree & well said. You saved me typing similar.
Pcar
I don't see why you guys are putting effort into trying to convert @GC; there is no point on dwelling
Over time more facts will all come out.
I have no wish to see him get angrier and angrier
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Anyone else can just see the BBBC thread on the topic
particularly interesting is the Ayaan Hirsi Ali tweet recommending Douglas Murray's article on the topic His good background info makes me think why do media/people never ask/explain why TR left the EDL ?
stewgreen
@GC, Jun 2, 2018 at 11:22 PM
With your experience of Youth Courts, are they always subject to Reporting Restrictions, with Reporters being excluded?
Rarely. Anyone can observe, but can be [majority] denied if it may hinder discussion.
I've argued for & against lock-up; for and against removal/return....
Juddgement is based on "what you believe at time". If new evidence revealed later, re-consider with open mind and reversal is not weakness.
I've argued against SW removal of child, other two wanted to be supine.
Eventual verdict was against SW.
After:
both lawyers said I was correct, SW wrong.
both supine said I was correct, but they were "scared" to disagree with SW and thanked me for leading.
Pcar
Pcar, ref Jun 2, 2018 at 11:22 PM | golf charlie
forgot to mention the fact that I was the only Prosecution Witness called, and I did not actually witness the crime being committed as I was more then 10 miles away. This was set out in my Police Statements, and these were accepted, unchalleged, by the Prosecution, Defence and the Court.
golf charlie
I don't see why you guys are putting effort into trying to convert @GC; there is no point on dwelling
Over time more facts will all come out.
I have no wish to see him get angrier and angrier
Jun 3, 2018 at 12:23 AM | stewgreen
Have any facts come out so far that prove you have got anything right?
Since you kicked off with this:
"Wow Guido has lost the plot
He's sitting their throwing insults at Tommy Robinson
Guido always anti-Ukip ...but now he's behaving like Anti-fa"
May 28, 2018 at 2:22 PM | stewgreen
you keep compounding your own errors, because you can't or won't admit your mistakes, guesses and false assumptions. Just like Climate Science since Mann' Hockey Stick.
What is it that you are trying to "convert" me to? Your failed faith in Tommy Robinson? If you only post here as a professional propaganda artist, just like some Climate Science advocates, do you think you offer better value? I am not sure if they have endured funding cuts.
Are all your contributions here as badly sourced and unreliable as the stuff you have posted about UK Law and Tommy Robinson?
You also said you don't trade insults. You dish them out readily enough, even to Guido Fawkes, but squeal when it goes wrong, and people challenge you back.
What was the most viewed story at Guido Fawkes this week? This one:
https://order-order.com/2018/05/29/tommy-robinson-jailed-reporting-restrictions-lifted/
He still thinks Tommy Robinson is an idiot. There are copies of the warnings given to Tommy Robinson, so how can he claim to have been victimised?