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geronimo "Phyically" should have been "Psychically" I believe my evil spellchecker is both authoritarian and right wing.

Jan 8, 2017 at 3:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

How did you answer the question about willingness to participate in massacres?

Jan 8, 2017 at 3:13 PM | Supertroll

There is a question about willingness to participate in Climate Science propaganda and misinformation?

Jan 8, 2017 at 3:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Oxymoron question gC!!!

Jan 8, 2017 at 3:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

"How did you answer the question about willingness to participate in massacres?"

Strongly agree naturally.

Jan 8, 2017 at 4:18 PM | Unregistered Commentergeronimo

geronimo. Well we must be twins then. No question about it.

Jan 8, 2017 at 5:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38
Puts me near Friedman on the the chart. Some of the score will be down to having to agree/disagree when some neutral answer would have been more appropriate.

Thanks EM.

You're modern my first thought about horsepower is always 1 HP = 33,000 ft-lb/min

Jan 8, 2017 at 7:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Just as water comes halfway up a duck, so does power come from halfway up a horse.

Jan 9, 2017 at 3:42 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Worryingly close to EM. Well to the left of Labour and the Lib Dems, and close to the Green Party apparently. I think their compass needs re-calibrating.

Jan 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Still don't get that, Paul. Don't see how you can have collectivism without coercion, when using actual imperfect humans. It requires too much willing suspension of disbelief.

Jan 9, 2017 at 3:43 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

The sub-title for this should be, "Allows middle class people to pretend to be left wing, whilst still living fruitfully off the benefits of a capitalist society". As me Ma would have said, "f*cking armchair socialists".

More rationally, the system boundary is badly defined. It has an idea about what it believes left and right are... it constrains you to be within that boundary, but that static definition is no longer relevant. It is by definition of its language, written by and geared towards (mostly left wing) intellectuals and their idea of left and right.

Just having political discussions with my (mature and bright) 18 year old son, shows the world those questions reflect does not exist.

This is the Age of Communication. And aspirations for people relate to becoming a node in that communication network.

The questions should reflect modern society and those aspirations. Even the poorest Africa peasant wants access to a smartphone. Wants his village on the internet.

Labeling people left and right within the old boundary is no longer an adequate measure of society.

For good or for bad capitalism allows everyone to a contributor and consumer in the "Age of Communication". The questions should relate to allowing/denying that for members of society.

Jan 12, 2017 at 5:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterMedia Hoar

rec=1.38 soc=-3.85

Which puts me bottom right. Where no political parties are. Quelle surprise.

Jan 12, 2017 at 9:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

MH, I have pointed out on some other thread that the division has transformed into:

Political classes absorbed with issues divorced from the lives of the majority/climate change act/MSM+BBC =fake news, polarised bias /immigration is good/pro EU/politicos become extremely rich/criminalise using the wrong bin


Populism/demagogue/climate change=scam,politicised pseudo science/build the wall/Brexit

Jan 12, 2017 at 12:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin A

For the changes, they're for a time, in.

Jan 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Martin, I understand your list, and I accept you tried to give it some validity with actual values. I myself am trying not to create something "hard" in my own thinking. Trying to remain fluid, because it avoids being pigeon holed.

One major change in the Age of Information is that the idea of social and public consensus has been turned on its head. And the last few years, the kickback against consensus can have an effect.

I am having more discussions with people who are finding a voice against consensus. This maybe an individual voice, or as part of a loose group. I talk to people who actually now as soon as they see a consensus they immediately look more deeply and challenge, my son being one of them.

To jump on and support a consensus is now so easy. I see people design and wear a consensus overcoat, and act like it is a natural part of their skin. They fool themselves. Just follow the relevant twitter feeds and "Hey presto" you have your moral and hierarchical place in society without any effort.

Media outlets, even if they have the inclination, do not have the resources or time to challenge anything anymore. They take the social media feeds, the news wires, and just filter them based on their own prejudices. People either pay with their time or with subscriptions and readers seeking added value are moving more and more away from the outlets like the Guardian (reading it which is like sitting in the middle of a sixth form common room.) What established media outlets add value any more? The last year has shown they are just part of a person's "overcoat of values".

To balance that however, to challenge the consensus, to have a voice, or to feel that your experience and values have some validity, is also now easier. More and more people are realising that the conformity that is being forced on them is not some "natural social and moral justice", but just the latest overcoat of the establishment. If you have talked to a Soviet Apparatchik in the 1980's he would literally have thought you crazy if you had challenged his "overcoat of socialism" or outlined what would happen in the following 10 years.

These are just some ideas about society, not viewed on the lazy intellectual basis of right and left. Quickly off the top of my head.

Jan 12, 2017 at 1:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterMedia Hoar

Media hoar

My 18-month old granddaughter can say "No".

Jan 12, 2017 at 1:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

True, and her wondrous and special journey in life is just beginning whereby she has the maturity, self confidence and inherent individualism, and of course not forgetting the erudition to say..."That's bollocks"... :)

Jan 12, 2017 at 2:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterMedia Hoar

I've done this in the past and it's interesting that my position hasn't changed. Still slap bang in the middle of the bottom left box.

Economic Left/Right: -6.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

I suspect most on this blog will be on the same longitude - quite libertarian.
But there is a range of latitudes. Economically we do not agree.

The standard deviations in the two axes must be very different.

Jan 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney