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Facebook has said it will not remove suspected FAKE news items, but rather mark them as flagged.
So it serms to me that when you vome across BBC posts you should tag them with a flag : "suspected as fake as it comes from SJW Missionaries who routinely leave out relevant info to spin stories"

pg 25 Migrant fashion now is to sham marry a pregnant woman, that way the Human Rights Act can be used to stop them being deported.
New rules mean that Home Office has stopped rigorous investigations but lets people marry and then refuses migrants permission to stay anyway.

p39 Libya sea-taxis Seems smugglers and NGOs are working together. The NGOs send messages and light up their own "rescue boats" so the migrant boats are piloted directly to MSF and Save The Children boats.

Dec 16, 2016 at 3:29 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

It could be, and I don't know either way, that the MSF and Save The Children are not in cahoots with people smugglers but that the smugglers have twigged that these boats are non-military and will take the refugees and let the smugglers go; especially if the smugglers are armed. The lights are on so that anyone in a boat of doubtful seaworthiness has a point to aim for before swimming is required.

I'm not sure about what it means by "messages" either, sending radio messages to other ships in the area which are picked up by smugglers could be an equally good explanation on the evidence I currently have which is not a great deal.

Dec 17, 2016 at 11:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

The Times article itself went into greater detail.

Bottomline is the Australian solution of not letting rescued queue jumper refugees in to send the message ..and thus stops drownings

Dec 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Saturday's : The Times Newsbites

pg21 Hollywood's Michael Sheen to give up acting to come back to Port Talbot as a full time political activist fighting Alt-Right
You see the evil locals voted Brexit and this controlling Lefty from Ctrl-Left .. supports suppressing of challenging.
There's an extra 5 pages in the Times Magazine but not much more depth.. maybe he's just saying stuff to promote his new movie.

Same page - "Corbyn linked to lobbyist behind Istanbul bombers"
Scurrilous Tosh ! You can't be interested in supporting Kurdish rights without talking to people who are connected to the PKK

p25 Durham Uni - the entitled Lefties got a kicking in the Student Union Election : Tom Harwood from Vote Leave won a landslide by taking the p*ss
Note his serious pledges Here
Times highlights his satirical ones

pg26 Full page advert against Duddon pylon scheme right on Lake District coast.
(greens will never say it's caused by Scottish windfarm construction)

pg 27 Matthew Parris a gay man, comes out against the LGBT banner. It's not a genuine community but rather a vehicle for the dogma of student and public sector politics.

Letters : Peter Lilley has a robust letter against Bob Ward's previous letter belittling the £319bn cost of the CC Act.

Atlantic swimmer has given up after support vessel damaged in storm.

pg 43 Ministers to meet "Mobiles may be blocked when driver at wheel"
Tosh as an engineer I know why MAGIC solutions are not implemented like public think they can be.
First thing is that systems must be fail safe, but there'd be a strong chance of a car crashing and a driver being unable to call for help cos the system has locked him out.

pg46 Story of 12yr old radicalised Iraqi boy who tried to nail bomb a Berlin Christmas market on Nov 26th

pg55 Ofgem wrote a letter to power suppliers saying it thinks they might be price riggingeg by saying they have more plant down for maintenance that true, thus pushing up spot prices.

Mag - Caitlin Moran lays into Righties for using lang-rage ..whereas it is a tool Lefties use by the most as they Label and Dismiss eg everyone who challengs them is called Far-Right

Dec 17, 2016 at 12:04 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

stewgreen 3:29, sea-taxis maritime law etc.

Maritime Law is not my thing, but as a yottie/seafarer, you can not allow someone to drown at sea.

Different countries have different laws about territorial water, borders, security. Different countries have different rules and laws about who may enter a country without passports, visas etc, but those "rescued at sea", "shipwrecked" etc tend to get a waiver.

If a ship went into a North African Harbour, and embarked passengers, and took them to an Italian port, the Italians would be entitled to turn the ship away. If the ship sank in the Italian harbour, the Italians would have to accommodate the survivors of the shipwreck.

It is easier for "aid" ships to motor up and down the North African coast, close to the shore, "rescuing" people on Li-Los who have set off to paddle 100 miles, but had no intention of doing anything more, than getting far enough out to be rescued by a passing ship that happened to have stopped with a bright flashing light on.

If this sounds cynical, good. Some of these "aid" ships, doing very noble deeds, funded by noble people, are just the final and vital part of the people trafficking industry, that is making millions out of other people's fear and misery.

Dec 17, 2016 at 1:56 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@Sandy @Golf

"EU Accuses MSF, Major Charities of Working with Criminal Gangs to Import Migrants"

Dec 17, 2016 at 6:00 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

All over the world people of faith refuse to sit next to some one of the opposite sex.
But when Nadiya the BBC's BakeOff pet tweeted a man "had said he wouldn't sit next to her cos she's a Muslim" The British Transport Police tweeted they want to investigate and pass info to CPS
... I don't think a crime has committed as Islam is a belief system not a race .. It's no different from saying you won't sit next to a guy inA UKIP T-shirt.

Dec 17, 2016 at 6:18 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Something Strange Is Taking Place In The Mediterranean

For two months, using, we have been monitoring the movements of ships owned by a couple of NGOs, and, using data from We have kept track of the daily arrivals of African immigrants in Italy. It turned out we were witness of a big scam and an illegal human traffic operation.

NGOs, smugglers, the mafia in cahoots with the European Union have shipped thousands of illegals into Europe under the pretext of rescuing people, assisted by the Italian coast guard which coordinated their activities....

Dec 17, 2016 at 9:17 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

stewgreen & Pcar

I was not aware of that Breitbart article when I posted earlier.

It seems that the "aid agencies" and EU are more heavily involved in people trafficking than I thought.

I feel desperately sorry for those being trafficked, and know that if in the area I would help these victims of exploitation. If the EU are involved, this will not be good news for the likes of Merkel, facing an anti-EU backlash in Germany and those states suffering under the inundation of refugees heading for Germany, based on Merkel's promises.

I seem to remember the BBC/Guardian et al trying to blame the refugee "crisis" on Global Warming. If the crisis caused 2% of the population to vote BREXIT, instead of Remain, faked news by the BBC/Guardian et al caused the BREXIT success that they campaigned against, and still do. If the EU and aid agencies are actively encouragjng further refugees to flee to the EU .......

Dec 17, 2016 at 10:02 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@golf charlie

I feel desperately sorry for those being trafficked, and know that if in the area I would help these victims of exploitation.


They are not poor waifs being exploited. They have GBP Thousands to pay criminals to transport them from their homes in MENA to EU. I would posit many of the "poor waifs" are also criminals - how else do they amass the GBP Thousands when income in many MENA is <$2 per day?

They know the risks and pay the money.

Don't feel "desperately sorry" for them, they are not being exploited. On the contrary, they are exploiting you & all in EU.

Dec 17, 2016 at 11:03 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

It is common that people are being exploited at the same time as they exploit others.

Just as abusers have commonly learned abuse from being abused themselves.
But dont lose sight that anyone in the boats is queue jumping ahead of more deserving people doing it the legal way.

Dec 17, 2016 at 11:46 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Pcars link doesn't work..
Correct one
Something Strange Is Taking Place In The Mediterranean

Dec 18, 2016 at 12:10 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Pcar, I have never personally experienced warfare, so I do not know what steps I would take to avoid it or join it. In my working life, I have worked with those younger than me, that have had to fight in a war, not within the British Isles, or people whose first language was English. I understand what people mean when they talk about the "1,000 yard stare".

I also recognise comfortable clothing, brand new lifejackets and mobile phones far more advanced than my own, being brandished by "refugees" from "war zones". There is one helluva lot of exploitation going on, in North Africa and the Middle East, to produce these crises. The EU political exploitation has caused it's fair share, and has contributed to BREXIT (which I am in favour of) If the EU's political exploitation backfires and causes further harm to the EU, and fake news about Global Warming, it serves them right.

Innocent people are being exploited, and I do feel sorry for them. The exploiters should bear the shame and cost, but not one from the EU has yet drowned.

Dec 18, 2016 at 12:12 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

The solution is simple, and works, as has been shown by Australia: escort the overloaded vessels back to their origin, let the migrants disembark, then destroy the boat. Migrants are safe, queues are not jumped, exploiters have a problem, and future queue jumpers are given a lesson.

Dec 18, 2016 at 2:56 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

@Radical Rodent, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:56 PM

The solution is simple, and works, as has been shown by Australia: escort the overloaded vessels back to their origin, let the migrants disembark, then destroy the boat. Migrants are safe, queues are not jumped, exploiters have a problem, and future queue jumpers are given a lesson.

+1, no + 100

Cameron was presurised into (reluctantly) trying to persuade EU to adopt that strategy in 2013/14. Much support from other EU politicos; then the usual rent-a-mob started the "racist" chant and politicos hid behind their sofas.


Thanks for providing correct url

Dec 19, 2016 at 1:15 AM | Registered CommenterPcar

golf charlie
I don't know if there is collusion between NGOs and people smugglers, but it's true that they are being paid by those they are transporting. With modern communications communities sending their young men to Europe to find a better life and to send money back home will soon learn who the smugglers getting the best results are. Just like sales people in the UK who do 100K+ miles annually know which parts of the motorway network to avoid and what the best rat runs are the best smugglers will have an intimate knowledge of the naval patrols to avoid and who and where the softest NGO ships will be.

Just as using the numbers of people going to foodbanks in the UK is no measure of poverty, just that people learn where to go and how to behave to cut the cost of living. Is that the fault of those operating foodbanks with the best of intentions that the media and political opportunists use them as sticks to beat the government with. (If I still lived in Derby I might be very tempted to hop on my old "supermarket special" bike and see what the local free food depot had to offer.)

Personally I'm not that keen on things backfiring usually the one step backwards is worse and lasts longer than expected, and a new lot of exploiters step in. However the last people to understand the writing on the wall are Balthazar like politicians (97% of them).

Dec 19, 2016 at 10:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Fit people dying
.... is a problem
So lets stop that pull factor.

Dec 19, 2016 at 12:59 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

The Times Newsbites Monday

Aid Scandal
- UK law obliges gov to spend 0.7% on Aid (12bn)
- Often Dfid shoves unallocated money in Trusts eg for last 5 years £9bn, World Bank has charged £241m.fees on them
- Dfid's.spending on consultants is out of control £1bn /yr eg £10K to produce a single blogpost
pg 8 WB charged 5% management fee their staff fly first class on long haul

pg45 Liberty House has bought the Scottish aluminium plant.and 2 hydro plants for £300m
I still reckon.they are subsidy milkers who'll end up closing the plant andvtake the subsidies off the dams

Dec 19, 2016 at 1:02 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

SandyS, I agree! 30 years ago, Norman Tebbit told the unemployed to get on their bikes, travel to work, and if necessary, move to where the work is.

I have worked with Eastern Europeans in the UK, and elsewhere within Europe, and have been impressed.

I do not have a problem with Economic Migrants, across UK or EU Borders, provided there is a match of supply and demand. I do have a problem with Economic Migrants being rebranded as Refugees from War or Global Warming, and achieving priority status. The EU and aid agencies have been part of rebranding migrants for their own political and financial benefit, and it is now causing them pain and suffering. The migrants are also suffering and dying, having been misold what they will get for their money.

About 10 years ago working in Greece, I was told by University educated Greeks, working in bars and restaurants during the tourist season, that their pay was better than nothing, and was in cash, but they were working to improve their language skills, mainly English, but German and French. They did not see their future in Greece, and the UK offered the best cheap/free housing.

Many of them grew up with grandparents able to relate first hand accounts of Nazi atrocities during WW2. They regarded Italy as corrupt, and France as unwelcoming. Germany was an option, but would have caused family unrest.

An ideal career path was seen as UK, for housing and other benefits, and then a multi-national company, where English/American was the first language, but work could take them anywhere in the world.

Dec 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

stewgreen, it is about time a journalist looked at some of this "aid money", and how much gets consumed by the Green Mafia.

Lord Deben has just been on Radio 2 (Jeremy Vine) saying how important UK aid money is. He and Tim Yeo did quite well out of Green schemes.

Dec 19, 2016 at 1:31 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie