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Discussion > Zombie blog - what's the point?

Is this blog coming back or is it dead or perhaps just a permanent advertising platform for calendars and books?

I used to enjoy reading some of the (simplified / dumbed-down) technical stuff on here but....................

Aug 25, 2016 at 8:58 AM | Unregistered Commenterjaffa

perhaps just a permanent advertising platform for calendars and books?

You're forgetting the hilarious cartoons.

Aug 26, 2016 at 10:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

I think the zombies are the ones in the alarmist side of the debate. The ones churning out story after story of propaganda day after day in Climate PR organisations like the ECIU...but then they are paid (aren't you Phil Clarke)'s their job.
Despite mythical "big oil money", people here on the rationalist skeptical side don't receive money they spend most of the week working in the real world and blog in their spare time.

Aug 26, 2016 at 11:11 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Or having retired, have time on their hands and find a stimulating environment here

Aug 26, 2016 at 12:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Stewgreen, thanks for the LOL, you're even funnier than Josh

Aug 26, 2016 at 1:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Have to say I agree with you on that.

In my experience the only people who cannot ever raise a smile at cartoons poking fun at them are religious fundamentalists.

Aug 26, 2016 at 2:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS


It used to be a stimulating environment, but it's become a minor chat room. I still drop in every couple of days, but find little to inspire comment.

Aug 27, 2016 at 12:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Moi non plus.

Aug 27, 2016 at 8:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterMartin A

I’m somewhat nonplussed, too.

Now that the world has stopped warming, and is starting to show signs of cooling, it looks as though the alarmists are having to regroup and re-position their thinking; the debate is whether they should move it from La-La Land to Cloud-Cuckoo Land or to Airy-Fairy Land? It is a tough choice, and I suspect there will be blood spilled in the debate.

Aug 27, 2016 at 9:25 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Now that the world has stopped warming, and is starting to show signs of cooling...

I'm still waiting, ahead of it happening, for cli-sci to explain how global warming causes that. They are running out of time to come up with it and will have to post-hoc it as is usual.

Aug 27, 2016 at 6:29 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

Radical Rodent & ssat

Don't worry about the lack of warming, another model will be along in a moment, perhaps three together, to prove that cooling is caused by warming. Rather than the "Greenhouse Effect", it will be the "Gas Powered Fridge Effect". It is basic physics after all.

Climate Scientists will then want 30 years of funding to prove they are right, pointing out that the gas powered fridge was invented in 1858 by Ferdinand Carré, and anyone who disputes this must be stupid because you can still buy them.

Michael Mann will show that his graph, like his data works equally well upside down, in generating lucrative funding opportunities, and if sea levels drop too far, the English Channel may dry up, causing refugees seeking to flee the EU, to arrive in the new town of Goodwin Sands, by the campervan load.

Aug 27, 2016 at 9:49 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

I wonder how long it will be before the rather lacklustre summers the UK has had in recent years is acknowledged; none have yet matched that of 1976, which – oh, the irony! – was at the height of the ice-age scare. Someone with a voice that cannot be easily dismissed might connect this with similar data from so many other countries, though I doubt it will be a journalist, a profession which has lowered the standard of “investigation” to copy-and-pasting press-releases, and “catastrophic global cooling” will be born. It will, naturally, be the fault of climate change, brought on by human-produced… well, CO2 is getting to be a bit old-hat, now, but, whatever is found, it will continue to be the fault of the industrialised west.

Aug 28, 2016 at 12:58 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

If there is one thing certain commenters despise, it's a pause/hiatus.

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming things to bitch about at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.

Aug 28, 2016 at 3:26 AM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

Direct link

The CRU Mails

Like an Aristophanes satire, like Hamlet, it opens with two slaves, spear-carriers, little people. Footsoldiers of history, two researchers in a corrupt and impoverished mid-90s Russia schlep through the tundra to take core samples from trees at the behest of the bigger fish in far-off East Anglia. Stepan and Rashit don't even have their own e-mail address and like characters in some absurdist comedy must pass jointly under the name of Tatiana M. Dedkova. Conscientious and obliging, they strike a human note all through this drama. Their talk is of mundane material concerns, the smallness of funds, the expense of helicopters, the scramble for grants. They are the ones who get their hands dirty, and their vicissitudes periodically revived my interest during the slower stretches of the tale, those otherwise devoted to abstruse details of committee work and other longueurs. 'We also collected many wood samples from living and dead larches of various ages. But we were bited by many thousands of mosquitos especially small ones.' They are perhaps the only likeable characters on the establishment side, apart from the exasperated and appalled IT man Harry in the separate 'Harry_read_me' document, and I cheered up whenever they appeared. 'Slaves' is horseshit, and 'footsoldiers' insulting, but if scientists are allowed to put a creative spin on facts, I can certainly do so. They are respected scientists: in fact, it emerges, eminent or destined to be eminent. But they talk funny and are at the beck and call of CRU, are financially dependent on them; when the film is made they will be comedy relief, played by Alexei Sayle and the dopey one out of The Fast Show.

In the early parts of the story those who are to become the bigger players are not much better off, though. The mails start in 1996 when they have not yet attained world fame and the ear of statesmen, and often do not know where their next grant is coming from. There are moments of poignance:

As always I seem to have been away bullshiting and politiking in various meetings for weeks! I try to convince myself that this is of use to us as a dendrochronological community but I am not so sure how much that is really true these days.


Aug 28, 2016 at 3:50 AM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

Now that the world has stopped warming....

Yeah, right ...

Aug 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Haha – good one, PC. Odd how the previous record of 1936 and the quite noticeable spike of the 1998 el Niño have both disappeared; it does make one wonder what the raw data would tell us…

Something has to account for comments such as the amended one that Clipe has given us: “ The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.” (Trenberth, 2009). That there have been over 60 peer-reviewed papers published about this lack of warming since then does suggest that there is some truth that warming has as good as stopped; a peak on an el Niño year does not make that fact go away.

Aug 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Phil Clarke, the graph you linked to, starts at the end of the Little Ice Age. As Real Climate and Mann are linked, as are the Hockey Team, Pages2K, Gergis et al, and all the others in between, don't you think it is time to re-evaluate the scientific credibility of your sources?

As a Country Bumpkin, I was brought up to enjoy, respect and care for the environment. I still do. If the Green Environmentalism movement shifted to a more Lukewarmer position now, it would be more sustainable in the public's perception, in a changing political environment. As it is, the Green Environmentalism movement may be headed for a mass extinction event, by association with failed Climate Science.

Aug 28, 2016 at 2:48 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Odd how the previous record of 1936 and the quite noticeable spike of the 1998 el Niño have both disappeared; it does make one wonder what the raw data would tell us…

For the 1930s, you're thinking of the US, the raw data is freely available, and globally shows more warming than the adjusted.

Zombie arguments indeed.

Aug 28, 2016 at 2:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

If you read the full email, you learn that Trenberth is actually informing fellow climate scientists about a paper he'd recently published, An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth's global energy (Trenberth 2009). The paper discusses the planet's energy budget - how much net energy is flowing into our climate and where it's going. It also discusses the systems we have in place to track energy flow in and out of our climate system.

Trenberth states unequivocally that our planet is continually heating due to increasing carbon dioxide. This energy imbalance was very small 40 years ago but has steadily increased to around 0.9 W/m2 over the 2000 to 2005 period, as observed by satellites. Preliminary satellite data indicates the energy imbalance has continued to increase from 2006 to 2008. The net result is that the planet is continuously accumulating heat. Global warming is still happening.
Next, Trenberth wonders with this ever increasing heat, why doesn't surface temperature continuously rise? The standard answer is "natural variability". But such a general answer doesn't explain the actual physical processes involved. If the planet is accumulating heat, the energy must go somewhere. Is it going into melting ice? Is it being sequestered deep in the ocean? Did the 2008 La Niña rearrange the configuration of ocean heat? Is it all of the above?
Trenberth wants answers!

So like an obsessive accountant, Trenberth pores over the energy budget, tallying up the joules accumulating in various parts of the climate. A global energy imbalance of 0.9 W/m2means the planet is accumulating 145 x 1020 joules per year. The following list gives the amount of energy going into various parts of the climate over the 2004 to 2008 period:

• Land:   2 x 1020 joules per year
• Arctic sea Ice:   1 x 1020 joules per year
• Ice sheets:   1.4 x 1020 joules per year
• Total land ice:   between 2 to 3 x 1020 joules per year
• Ocean:   between 20 to 95 x 1020 joules per year
• Sun:   16 x 1020 joules per year (eg - the sun has been cooling from 2004 to 2008)

These various contributions total between 45 to 115 x 1020 joules per year. This falls well short of the total 145 x 1020 joules per year (although the error bars do overlap). Trenberth expresses frustration that observation systems are inadequate to track the flow of energy. It's not that global warming has stopped. We know global warming has continued because satellites find an energy imbalance. It's that our observation systems need to be more accurate in tracking the energy flows through our climate and closing the energy budget.

Aug 28, 2016 at 2:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

We know global warming has continued because satellites find an energy imbalance.

Really! Do you have a link to satellite measurements that come close to Trenberth's 0.9W/m2, which, BTW, is now 0.6W/m2? By measurements, I mean the numbers obtained before the excuses were thought of that were formulated to support the adjustments necessary to match the model output.

Aug 28, 2016 at 5:20 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

Aug 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Didn't think so.

Aug 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

Trenberth states unequivocally that our planet is continually heating due to increasing carbon dioxide.
And his evidence is…?

Aug 28, 2016 at 11:18 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Radical Rodent, he does not need scientific evidence, but is content with the continued, regular and, (let's not deny it) very generous pay cheques.

Aug 29, 2016 at 1:01 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie