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Monday
Jan302017

Myron Ebell in transit - Cartoon notes by Josh

Myron Ebell, who led President Trump's transition team for the Environmental Protection Agency, gave a fascinating talk at the House of Commons today on Trump's approach to environmental policy.

There are plenty of stories in the media (Guardian, Daily Mail and Independent, for example) from the press conference held earlier in the day and he covered similar ground in the HoC talk. Here are some cartoon notes - it was a lot of fun.

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Reader Comments (93)

Is there a video available?

Otherwise I might just be stuck with things like the headline at The Independent: "Trump will definitely pull out of Paris climate change deal". While that is certainly welcome, if true, I can't really trust any of the legacy media to even report the facts these days.

Jan 30, 2017 at 11:04 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Are US Airport Departure Lounges ready for the rush of Climate Science refugees seeking safe refuge in the EU? Some of them could find themselves wanted for questioning by the FBI, a bit like FIFA Officials.

Is Guantanamo Bay threatened by sea level rise?

Jan 30, 2017 at 11:24 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Didn't happen ,

the BBC isn't reporting it

No Myron Ebell on the BBC's .co.uk in the last 24 hours

wonder why ....

Jan 30, 2017 at 11:47 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Ebell has found it hard to upstage the Fijian invasion of East Anglia

https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2017/01/buck-house-balks-at-ukipscience-cut.html

Jan 31, 2017 at 1:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

vvussell, your attempts to make Climate Science appear desperate, are succeeding.

You ought to award yourself a Nobel Prize for proving Trump correct.

Jan 31, 2017 at 2:06 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Sorry to be dense, but what is Russell on about? (I'll probably regret asking)

Jan 31, 2017 at 8:43 AM | Unregistered Commentermike fowle

In the meantime, SSE has discovered that still, cloudy, weather reduces the output from their 'renewables', and causes them to have to ramp up their conventional generating capacity ...

Who knew..?

Jan 31, 2017 at 9:37 AM | Unregistered Commentersherlock1

DELINGPOLE: Trump’s Climate Plans Just Made the Media’s Heads Explode

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/31/delingpole-trumps-climate-plans-made-medias-heads-explode/

Jan 31, 2017 at 10:47 AM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

So? Bannon hired Delingpole. I wanna know who suggested Ebell to Trump.

Yesterday I saw a photoshopped picture of Queen Elizabeth, complete with a mischievous grin, wearing a red Trump hat, labelled: Make America Great Britain Again.
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Jan 31, 2017 at 11:10 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

It was very noticeable on the Channel 4 news yesterday evening that both John Snow and Tom Clarke were in full panic mode about Ebell (he was interviewed by Clarke) and his association with "climate change deniers" such as Mark Morano. I love to see that obnoxious pair of alarmists when things aren't going their way.

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:26 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:26 AM | Registered Commenter Phillip Bratby

A question asked by the C4 reporter as quoted in the Delingpole article, speaks much:

"The reporter who set the tone – and if nothing else, you've got to admire his honesty – was the one from Channel 4 News who told Ebell: "It will occur to you that this room is full of people like myself who consider that nothing you say has any basis in fact. So what you've been telling us is essentially meaningless.""

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/31/delingpole-trumps-climate-plans-made-medias-heads-explode/

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterMick J

Jan 31, 2017 at 8:43 AM | mike fowle

mike, vvussell is simply demonstrating the best that climate science has to offer. It is very convincing for those who had not previously started to question the credibility of the Global Warming message.

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Here is a short video clip of Myron Ebell being interviewed and being asked how will the US cope after it increases dependence on Fossil fuels while the rest of the world opts for cheaper renewable fuels! Ebell explains the world of business to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_YkOybz2UI

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:48 AM | Unregistered CommenterMick J

Peak Hot Air and Wind has yet to occur in the MSM. They are building up for a few final blows.

Climate Scientists have been very successful at excluding their opponents from proper debate, now they are going to have to continue without US Government Financial and Legislative support.

There is no evidence that Climate Scientists have ever tried open and honest debate, relying on secrecy and dishonesty instead.

Jan 31, 2017 at 12:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Go to 23 minutes in the video to find the bit (Mick J, 11.34) where, after 20 minute of Ebell calmly explaining what he thinks the Trump administration will do, the arrogant ass Tom Clarke from C4 asks:

"Me and my colleagues in this room haven't spent much time speaking to people like yourselves.. because nothing you have to say has any support in fact ... yet here we are in this room listening to you again, why do you think that is?"

Ebell calmly replies, saying that elections are surprising things and talking of the rejection by the American people of what they are told by the 'bicoastal urban elite'. 'The people of America have rejected the expertariat... and I think for good reason. The expertariat have been wrong about one thing after another, including climate policy'.

Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Kim, Thank you for the picture of the Queen wearing a hat with the words: "Make America Great Britain Again". Priceless!!

In the meantime the petition to welcome Donald Trump on a state visit to the UK is at: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/

Jan 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterBudgie

Paul Matthews, Ebell seems a very calm and rational person. The nervous panic seemed to be in the voices of the journalists, or maybe they are not used to hearing honesty about climate science.

Jan 31, 2017 at 1:41 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Sadly, many of these journalists have become so enthralled with, and by, the power of narrative that they have little left but contempt for facts.

'Expertariat', another fine word. Much better than 'credentialed morons', of which I've made much use in the past.
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Jan 31, 2017 at 2:06 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

I think it can be said that Cardinal Harrabin came over as the arrogant, ignorant and thick journalist that we know him to be. Ditto Tom Clarke. They don't like to be told the facts.

Jan 31, 2017 at 3:12 PM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Next on page 3 of the Sun , a picture of Beowulf wearing his red Make America Geat Again hat.

Jan 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

"'Expertariat', another fine word. Much better than 'credentialed morons', of which I've made much use in the past." --kim

Yes, a fine word, as is 'trougherati.' But 'credentialed morons' has a certain panache.

Jan 31, 2017 at 4:24 PM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

Listening to the questioners and watching their body language I can see that where the greatest resistance to the emerging truth will come. Never having confronted the contra evidence they have no defence to the questions and alternative ideas which must now break into the public domain and cannot be ignored.
I am reminded of a passage from "Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy"

"Ever bought a fake picture, Toby? The more you pay for it, the less inclined you are to doubt its authenticity." Le Carre - Tinker, Tailor

These people have bought a fake and paid big time with their professional reputations. The first stage of any con is to get your mark committed so that they throw good money after bad rather than accept the pain of a write off.
They are about to enter the stage of denial and resistance as they see their settled certainties evaporate one by one.
It won't be pretty - but it will be entertaining.

Jan 31, 2017 at 4:55 PM | Unregistered Commenterdiogenese2

I see Wod-jah Wheelibin has been Twittering (with old gopher Black Dick) and being characteristically sly in inferring that Trump is "the enemy" in a fashion (as usual) that presumes to present that that's the official position of HMG.

RH might see Trump as an enemy - but the slippery slyness runs though him like "Blackpool" in a stick of Lancashire seaside rock - as evidenced by his response to criticism of his post.

Quick to defend himself - but less keen to have any informed debate on the airwaves he gate-keeps eh?

Jan 31, 2017 at 9:23 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Good stuff over in UK. More Trump effect. Ebell is very well briefed. CEI involved in the ExxonKnew AG Schneiderman lawsuit, in Mann v. Steyn, in unconstitutionality of CPP with no less than a Larry Tribe brief. Several weekends ago the entire EPA transition team got a Saturday afternoon 3 hour briefing from Tony Heller on NOAA/Nasa climate data fiddles (probably part of developing endangerment finding recommendations). There is obviously a lot going on below the visible surface. US out of UNFCCC is coming soon. Defunding already ordered under the 1990 and 1993 laws.
Watching US progressives completely lose it about every other day is a new favorite pastime.

Jan 31, 2017 at 9:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterRud Istvan

Rud Istvan, has the AG Schneiderman controversy progressed beyond this?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/31/as-exxonknew-collpases-conservative-think-tank-sues-ag-schneiderman-over-exxon-probe-records/

Any news on the RICO 20?

Jan 31, 2017 at 10:16 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Stunning. Thank you God!

Jan 31, 2017 at 11:48 PM | Registered CommenterPharos

Pharos +1

Dreamland. Smug, entitled, (former) elite put in their rightful place calmly, firmly and decisively.

Bring it all on, please.

Feb 1, 2017 at 12:50 AM | Registered Commenterflaxdoctor

Presumably Real Climate, Skeptical Science, The Guardian etc will manage to survive without US Government funded Global Warming Experts supplying them with Cli-Sci-Fi horror stories.

Feb 1, 2017 at 1:15 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Well, if things go in the Trump administration as Myron Ebell apparently expects, then we finally will get to see those millions of climate refugees trampling their way to safe harbour.

It'll be all the consensus climate climate scientists rushing about trying to find jobs.

Feb 1, 2017 at 4:47 AM | Unregistered CommenterPedric

With enemies like these, the Rico 20 remain a credible threat to civil liberty.

https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2017/01/havent-we-heard-that-somewhere-else.html

Feb 1, 2017 at 5:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

The fact that the meeting took place at all must seriously stick in Harrabin's craw.

Feb 1, 2017 at 6:00 AM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Here is the awful Channel 4 News coverage by John Snow and Tom Clarke:

https://www.channel4.com/news/trump-appoints-climate-change-deniers

It's well worth seeing propaganda in action, burning oil wells, the lot.

Feb 1, 2017 at 8:50 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Ebell was a cool customer and really pissed off a lot of 'journos' at the meeting. I particularly liked (among many points) how Ebell handled a question from one greenie (was it Hazza?) who asked if Ebell had discussed his work [at the EPA] with Trump, the implication being that Ebell could be smeared by association. Ebell's very cool reply: '[Trump?] Never met him. Never spoken to him'.

Cue stunned silence in the room. Great moment.

Feb 1, 2017 at 9:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

Delingpole's account of the event is worth reading just for his description of the reception he received from the assembled meejah when he snuck in 15 min late....

I think people are tiring of having stuff "interpreted" for them rather than reported.... The hysterical contrivances being wheeled out by the green left players are looking like the same tired carnival floats with bits falling off - but with more lights and louder sound systems.

Attending a GWPF sponsored briefing to try and get more dirt on Trump must have cranked the resentment handle of more than a few in that room.

@michael hart
you betcha! - and doubly stinging because it's perceived as an initiative from Beelzebub himself :-) The reply that Ebell gave about never having met or talked to Trump is priceless - I do *so* hope it was Wheelibin that asked that (entirely in character) question.

Feb 1, 2017 at 9:58 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Does anybody have a link to any BBC output from Harrabin on this event?

He was there wearing his BBC ID and asking questions. Given the topics covered and this recent BBC article, I would have thought that careful reporting of Ebell's words would have been a valuable news piece:

Trump's 'control-alt-delete' on climate change policy
By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent
25 January 2017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38746608

Feb 1, 2017 at 10:59 AM | Unregistered Commenternot banned yet

Tomo: it was (about 58:45 into the video).

Feb 1, 2017 at 12:07 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Harrabin's "question" seemed both contrived and convoluted. It was more a manifesto than a question, rambling on about Ebell's previous statements, wind and solar subsidies, renewables being "cost effective" before he finally asked about the USA car industry going bust supposedly because it "opposed new regulations" (!!), and a second question about the supposed "electricity high prices myth".

Ebell dealt smoothly with him, even though Harrabin interrupted with more questions that were really arguments. Not satisfied with telling us what to think Harrabin was all for telling Ebell (and by implication, Trump) what to think. The BBC don't report, they instruct. Let us hope that such hubris results in his and the BBC's nemesis. In the meantime all we can legitimately do, as far as BBC bias is concerned, is refuse to pay the TV tax.

Feb 1, 2017 at 12:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterBudgie

http://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/trump-moves-hands-on-doomsday-clock-for-the-epa-and-the-paris-climate-agreement/

Jo Nova also has this story. Note her comments about the US becoming self sufficient on energy, and therefore not subject to undue influence from Russia and the oil rich Middle East.

This will leave the EU in more of a mess now, and the situation will get worse.

Feb 1, 2017 at 12:46 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

I liked the way Ebell walked them through his view of the problem (i.e. he agrees with the 'consensus' on everything except the severity of impacts) and stated explicitly that 'sensitivity' was the key issue.

My only disappointment was that when they asked him about his scientific sources he gave no specific answer. To me, this was an ideal opportunity to say something like "the IPCC WG1 reports... but not the SPMs!"

Feb 1, 2017 at 1:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterDave Salt

Feb 1, 2017 at 1:05 PM | Dave Salt

Worth reading this thread!

https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2017/01/29/us-scientific-integrity-rules-repudiate-the-un-climate-process/

Feb 1, 2017 at 1:47 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Hugely entertaining.

Harrabin reaction priceless.

Congratulations to Dr Peiser for keeping a straight face.

Feb 1, 2017 at 2:26 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

Dave - that is just what I thought too - quote the IPCC Assessment Reports, but expose the SPMs for the nonsense they are. It was good to see Ebell bring out Christy's failed models graph though. I watched the video last night after seeing Pcar's post on Unthreaded - it was quite interesting to put the faces to names of the eco-journos who have been pushing the climate alarmism of the last 20 years. I thought some had really scary hairstyles, but I rarely travel south and mix with the elites who inhabit the sespecially the ones with weird hairstyles.

Rud - Tony Heller's presentation to the EPA transition team. Great to hear all Tony's efforts to expose the mendatious alarmists in NOAA and NASA GISS have had an impact.

Feb 1, 2017 at 3:09 PM | Unregistered Commenterlapogus

Sorry, that should have read:

I thought some had really scary hairstyles, but I rarely travel south and mix with the elites who inhabit London and the south-east.

Feb 1, 2017 at 3:14 PM | Registered Commenterlapogus

GC, on Rico 20 and especially Shukla consequences, nothing public so far as I know. NSF IG was ordered to investigate, probably still doing so. On Schneiderman Exxon suit, several subpoena demands were rebuffed by Texas courts on Exxon's behalf, especially those from Healy ((Mass AG) because no state equivalent of NY Martin Act. Apperently Exxon sent Schneiderman over 100000 pages including all their published climate papers. Not a peep since. Election year political grandstanding.

Feb 1, 2017 at 4:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterRud Istvan

GC, thanks for the link to Donna's post, which highlights the basic facts about the SPM generation 'process'. Nevertheless, the core documents still reflect a measure of uncertainty and doubt that would shock most people if they were to read them.

I remember reading through the AR4 WG1 report in late-2008 and my jaw literally dropped open when I saw what they said about the uncertainties related to clouds and their effects on model projections... then I made a comment on RealClimate and realized that 'negative feed-back' has many different meanings when discussing climate science :-)

Feb 1, 2017 at 5:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterDave Salt

Kim asked "I wanna know who suggested Ebell to Trump."

Ebell said during the press conference that he was invited to the EPA transition team by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christy, who then headed the overall transition effort (in late summer last year, months before election day). He said he never met Trump personally, and still has not.

It's a shame that Ebell is no longer part of the Trump Administration. He's now back to his regular job as the climate and environment guy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a think-tank for free enterprise, free trade, smaller government conservatives.

Feb 1, 2017 at 5:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterMickey Reno

Rud Istvan, thank you for the update. I await developments!

Feb 1, 2017 at 5:52 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Dave Salt, I think Climate Scientists are about to understand negative feed backs rather better, as negative pay backs. Quite how expert climate journalists are going to make up their stories now, I don't know.

Feb 1, 2017 at 6:03 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Much thanks, MR. Ironic that Christie helped Obama significantly in '12 with the hurricane hug.

Rud, nonetheless, an egregious attack on the First Amendment, and one which should not just be shrugged off as 'political year grandstanding'. This was a conspiracy, granted of Democrat Attorneys General. They should all be disbarred, but I don't expect that to happen.

Heh, well, not for this; they've malpractice in their hearts, it'll out.
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Feb 1, 2017 at 6:07 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Many thanks to Mickey Reno for the epiphany that that piece of political context gives rise to:

Myron Ebell is to climate science as Chris Christie is to the George Washington Bridge.

Feb 2, 2017 at 12:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

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