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The Sun says shun alarmism

Interesting to see a large splash in the Sun taking a pop at climate alarmism. I think the message may be getting through.


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A good development.

Picking on Arctic ice as a poster-child for their alarmism was a mistake by the PR warriors of the Climate Alarm Industry. It is a very variable, volatile measure liable to bite the hand that tries to feed off it.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:02 AM | Registered CommenterJohn Shade

looking forward to some lame / pithy puns.....

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM | Registered Commentertomo

That'll get them hot under the collar.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:13 AM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Since George Harrison died in 2001, this Sun article was clearly written by a Ghost Writer.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterNCC 1701E

I suppose we should be grateful and I appreciate that this PR battle may never be won without the support of Murdoch newspapers..........but the quality of the journalism is so dire it is unlikely to influence the thinking person.

A two-edged sword?

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM | Unregistered CommenterJack Savage

Note that the writer of the piece, George Harrison, is only 18 years old. He seems to have coped rather well with the climate alarmism he has been exposed to throughout his life. A life which of course has not included any global warming to talk of. Here is a link to his article.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM | Registered CommenterJohn Shade

Actually will be true for the UK. Every shoulder will be very cold, again, this winter, as the grand minimum careens along. If he had added a "stiff, cold shoulder", then he'd be spot on since he'll be frozen given the loss of energy in the UK by following the green agenda.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:28 AM | Unregistered Commentercedarhill

Don't you think the "Sun's Professor" (yes that what they have called him) should have been consulted? You all know who he is.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterDesmonds

It's the Sun wot won does it! Yes, it drives our climate.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:43 AM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

Slowly, slowly catchee monkey. The message will get through eventually. No scam lasts for ever.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:44 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Currently been p#ssing of rain all morning here. BBC forecast tells me it's sunny with precipitation of 19%.

Aug 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

Amused to see from his twitter profile @CanaryGeorge that he is a student at LSE!
I wonder what Bob and his colleagues at the Grantham Institute think about that Inconvenient Truth.

Aug 26, 2015 at 12:06 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Jack Savage:
" . . . but the quality of the journalism is so dire it is unlikely to influence the thinking person."

Nonsense: it's quite the equal of any of the drivel put out by RenewableUK

Aug 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterCapell

"but the quality of the journalism is so dire it is unlikely to influence the thinking person".

I guess we should be hearing from Bob Ward soon.

Aug 26, 2015 at 12:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

"The US climate change fanatic Al Bore..."


Aug 26, 2015 at 1:00 PM | Registered CommenterMartin A

Wozzit the Sun wot dunnit?

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:23 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

This is excellent news. Joe Public is a far smarter bloke than the educated elites realise.

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterJimmy Haigh

I like the typo seven words in.

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:54 PM | Unregistered Commenterterrymn

"ridiculous renewables, which are about as reliable and costly for the taxpayer as an IOU from Greece. Let’s fracking well cast off the green doom and gloom and find a cheaper energy source"

Green predictions and solutions tackled in one article.

Well done George: researched and understood. Good luck with the career.

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:57 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

This is excellent news. Joe Public is a far smarter bloke than the educated elites realise.

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:51 PM |Jimmy Haigh

In my experience, that is unlikely to be true. Joe Public is generally thicker than 2 short planks.

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterStephen Richards

The Sun should have printed a headline: "The green mania, a financial calamity, how it will destroy Britain".


'The Sun', this newspaper printing articles relating to the man made CO²= warming myth - it should focus on the socializing of the mind boggling costs of the 2008 CCA.

Hence, the article could have referenced the enforced burden imposed on the taxpayers and what we see and pay out - extra on our household bills now - is only the start of a price hike which will rise up to +£400 a pop for combined electricity and gas levies. Erm..... not to forget the £trillions wasted, the utter futility of green palliatives designed by idiots, built by foreigners, paid for by us to produce < electricity.

Indeed, with underlying costs such as the carbon floor price and fuel taxes with inbuilt escalators thanks to green duties - thus from production to transport costs - everything the consumer purchases is made more expensive.

Not only that, the Sun should provide its readers with some insight into the green lobby and how the green monster canes us all again, through having to cough up £billions - for an army of green propaganda coordinators everywhere - from NHS trusts, councils, eco quangos, charidees, government departments, the bbc, and inclusive of the Wet Office.

Remember, for every green job created, 3½ are lost to the real economy - the rush to deindustrialize Britain will cost us dear and will bring about an economic implosion, hence destroying jobs, causing misery and affecting national security.

Aug 26, 2015 at 2:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

Here comes the Sun ...


Aug 26, 2015 at 2:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

Neglected to say, written by George.

He was a great songwriter that fate dumped into a group containing the hit machine that was Lennon & McCartney. Karma.


Aug 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

This is someone's teenage SUN.

Aug 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

The power of the Sun in climate science has always been under rated.

The power of the Sun in UK politics has been appreciated for over 30 years.

The power of politics in climate science is now being appreciated by Sun readers.

The Sun appreciates giving their readers what they want to read.

The Sun will destroy Labour if Corbyn is elected.

If the Sun elects to destroy climate science, climate science will belatedly blame the Sun. Ho hum!

note to Sun Editors, can we not have Michael Mann exposed on Page 3 please!

Aug 26, 2015 at 2:58 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"Nonsense: it's quite the equal of any of the drivel put out by RenewableUK"

Yes. But whilst the sun has a proud history of publishing drivel (seemingly appreciated by its readership), RuinablesUK is in a different class when it comes to being deliberately mendacious. Only WorldWildLies / Greenpiss / Fiends of the Earth / The Grantham Institute and that lot are in that league.

Time for them to stand trial for conspiracy to defraud.

Aug 26, 2015 at 3:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin Brumby

@ Athelstan (with apologies hehe)

"Hence, the article could have referenced the enforced burden imposed on the taxpayers and what we see and pay out - extra on our household bills now - is only the start of a price hike which will rise up to +£400 a pop for combined electricity and gas levies. Erm..... not to forget the £trillions wasted, the utter futility of green palliatives designed by idiots, built by foreigners, paid for by us to produce" not a lot!

Aug 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM | Registered CommenterDung

Aug 26, 2015 at 1:59 PM | Unregistered Commenter Stephen Richards

Joe Public probably knows he's as thick as 2 short planks. The average educated elite doesn't...

Aug 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM | Unregistered Commenter Pointman

Indeed. A group of 4 with three musical geniuses. No wonder they did rather well.

Aug 26, 2015 at 3:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterJimmy Haigh

I hope somebody sends columnist George Harrison a link to Bishop Hill. He's just the sort of man we need rooting for us.

Aug 26, 2015 at 3:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Constable

Please, can we NOT have Michael Mann exposed on Page 3!

Aug 26, 2015 at 3:56 PM | Registered Commentersteve ta

Oh, my sweet lord, will no one rid us of this turbulent climate change.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:07 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Surely Mann and Hansen on Page 3?
They usually have two tits at a time, if I recall correctly.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:08 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

I see our mate Ken (ATTP) is upset by the Sun.

I love this bit: apparently nobody said the acritc ice would all be gone by now -

... some researchers have warned that summer Arctic sea ice could be gone by now, but not a prediction that it actually would be.

So apparently Ken agrees with most sceptics here, that when the alarmists say "could" you shouldn't take it seriously.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:17 PM | Unregistered Commentersteveta_uk

The interesting thing is NOT that a journalist is saying something that we (generally) agree with. Though probably getting the details wrong.

The interesting thing is that he (and his editor) do not see it as career-limiting. If this sort of thing spreads then the cleverer and more influential people will become less afraid to stand up and be counted....

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterDodgy Geezer

Still getting "Invalid site key" for CAPTCHA on Unthreaded.

I note that Tata are closing another chunk of Llanwern. Energy too expensive again.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...


Aug 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHaseler

Steveta, reading accurately seems to be beyond our Ken.

George: "Al Bore once famously predicted sea ice would be all but gone by now."

Ken: "Thats not a prediction that it would be all gone by now".

Spot the crucial missing word.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:37 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Jimmy Haigh: hey – do not short-change the fourth one! You will appreciate him when you hear the music played without him. While his talents were no doubt eclipsed by those around him, he shone brightly in the rest of the galaxy. John’s jibe was callous, but far from correct.

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:51 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Dang! But the first commenter on aTTP is... Pete Best! Oooh, now that is spooky!

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:56 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

The second is Gingerbaker. Now, I am beginning to get the impression that someone is just taking the p...

Aug 26, 2015 at 4:58 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Steveta_uk: I think I should add you to my hate list. You raised the spectre of aTTP, and I had to go and visit his site – and I had to leave something for them to mull over. Whether it gets past moderation is a moot point, but here it is, for you to pick holes in:

Ah, “climate” – a catch-all word that specifies nothing. There is no global “climate”; climate tends to be more regional; thus the climate of the UK (for example) is different from the climate of France (indeed, even within the UK, there are definite regional climates); which of these is definitely changing? Indeed, given the vagaries of the British climate, is it possible to identify any change in it? Can anyone actually point out any particular area where the climate has demonstrably changed, and in what manner is that change?

Aug 26, 2015 at 5:19 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Dodgy Geezer 4:25 2nd para

Please award yourself a Purple-Hearted Gold Star Merit Badge (with Brownie Point)!

The fearmongers are now the story that sells, not the fear they mong.

Aug 26, 2015 at 5:35 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Radical Rodent,

You are clearly missing the most important parts of climate science.

1. The climate now, is what climate scientists say it is.

2. The previous climate was definitely what climate scientists said it was, unless climate scientists choose now, to say the previous climate was not as they previously said it definitely was.

3. Any difference between 1 and 2 is climate change, as defined by climate scientists, subject to convenient changes made by climate scientists, as and when, also, now and then, deemed necessary by climate scientists.

This is why climate science is such a fast moving and fluid science, and too difficult for non climate scientists to understand.

Aug 26, 2015 at 5:49 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

RR, isn't there some little spot in the Yamal peninsula that has been shown conclusively to have done something or other, climate-wise?

Aug 26, 2015 at 5:52 PM | Registered Commentersteve ta

steve ta, your question to RR,

Yes some small part of Yamal had some trees, and climate scientists drilled holes in those trees whilst on a camping trip.

This goes to prove that climate scientists know nothing about gathering firewood on a camping trip. Hence they got cold feet about camping, and made stuff up instead, and turned the results, for the sake of climate science, on their head.

Aug 26, 2015 at 6:14 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Based on the number of copies sold and read, is there now a consensus in Britain that climate science articles are good for wrapping fish and chips in?

Consensus has been very important to Green Blob Climate Science experts, in the absence of any actual science.

Aug 26, 2015 at 6:44 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Mr charlie, Mr ta: fank u, I fink. Yuve just maid it sew mutch clearerer now. It will be interesting to see the responses, should the comment get through moderation.

I'm not sure you can wrap fish'n'chips in newspaper, any more - elf'n'safety, don'tch'a know?

Aug 26, 2015 at 6:47 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent


Real newspaper is definitely off the menu for wrapping fish'n'chips now - 'food safety' not elf'n'safety, but you can get food-grade 'fake' newspaper wrapping - as used by a lot of trendy, pretentious 'chefs'.

Aug 26, 2015 at 8:45 PM | Registered CommenterSalopian

Talking of the Sun, the GWPF have flagged up a new paper published in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, and reported on the HockeySchtick blog titled 'Solar Activity & Cosmic Rays Control Climate.

It finds a new potential climate control similar but distinct from Svensmark's theory, focussing on the greenhouse influence of lower stratospheric ozone levels influenced by cosmic rays, moderated by solar and geomagnetic field variability.

Aug 26, 2015 at 8:54 PM | Registered CommenterPharos

Salopian, it was me not our resident Radical Rodent who erroneously introduced the fish and chip wrapping reference, however if the Sun Says that global warming is a scam on a regular basis, and incites the public into a revolting mood, there will be tears at the Guardian, if they have done as they have advised their readers, and divested themselves of common sense.

Page 3 girls probably know more about comfortable ambient temperatures, than Guardian science correspondents, and what actually happens when things get too hot, or too cold.

Aug 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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