Bishop Hill Speaking Nuccitello
Sep 17, 2013 Climate: other Readers will recall that I recently wrote a briefing paper for GWPF on the Cook et al 97% consensus paper. Today Dana Nuccitelli has written a post in which he translates my paper into his own idiosyncratic language, Nuccitello. Readers may struggle with Nuccitello at first, but you will get the hang of it, I'm sure.
For example, many of you may find it hard to work out how it is possible to discuss my paper, with its consideration of the nature of the 97% consensus, under the heading of "consensus denial". Once you see that this is merely a translation into Nuccitello, all becomes clear.
The same blog post has further examples of this strange language. In Nuccitello, those who helped themselves to the documents that Skeptic Science's admins left open to public view are "thieves". And where I quoted participants on the forum as saying
Basically, we hope to establish that not only is there a consensus, there is a strengthening consensus.
this is represented in Nuccitello as
...we discussed how to effectively communicate our consensus results.
It's certainly a strange language! But armed with our new English-to-Nuccitello dictionary we can understand earlier oddities, such as Skeptical Science's strange description of Nic Lewis's climate sensitivity paper, with its result smack bang in the middle of a tangle of similar results from other authors, as "an outlier". It's not a mystery. It's Nuccitello!
Reader Comments (34)
Yes, the takeover of the Guardian by Skeptical Science is a strange and disturbing phenomenon. One knew of course that the Guardian had deteriorated. But to have fallen to the point of handing over a section to Dana is really extraordinary.
As you point out, its not the point of view. Its the venom and the method of argument. I think there are also a lot of refugees from the Ars environment/warming pages and from Tamino there.
All in all, the sociology of the movement as in the attitudes expressed on those pages in the comments sections is as interesting as it is disturbing.
According to Nuccitello 'those who helped themselves to the documents that Skeptic Science's admins left open to public view are "thieves"'.
On the other hand, by the surreal standards of Alarmists, Gleick was a "hero".
You couldn't make it up!
I always thought nuccitello was that Brown stuff that one smears........
Oh, wait. That's Nutella, a hazelnut-chocolate spread. Very much different.
No, he's a Time Lord, an immortal, time travelling humanoid alien known as the Doctor
Mango~ Considering what they've done to Dr. Who over the past couple of years, I may have to agree. Things went badly down the tubes since the series was re-launched. Tom Baker Rules!
michel
Indeed. But never fear, Monbiot is back this morning,http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/16/can-mps-resist-flat-earth-love-in
trying to wrest back control from the monster he created (it was he who lauded John Abraham’s 80-minute anti-Monckton audio ramble in the Graun, thus launching the career of the Abraham/Nuccitelli duo).
He’s dealing with climate change for the first time in three years, the first time since he apologised to Professor Phil Jones for saying something sensible, in fact. His argument comes down to: “Someone said something wrong in the House of Commons, therefore all climate sceptics are in the pay of the fossil fuel lobby”.
I put in a complaint about commenter Plataea referring to Graham Stringer MP as “scum”, but to no avail. Moderators don’t mind you calling people scum at the Guardian.
What else would you expect from someone who works for the evil fossil fuel industry!
Not sure why you are bothered. The vast majority of people on earth, throughout the history of mankind, have not been Guardian readers.
@geoffchambers
I read the Guardian Online too - I like to think doing so will reduce my time in purgatory.
George Monbiot does indeed believe that everyone who disagrees with him is in the pay of the fossil fuel lobby. I wish.
Mind you, his pause in writing on on AGW may be due to the fact that a few years ago he predicted that we would never see snow in the UK again. That, of course, was followed by the severest winters we have had for decades.
There are many mad people on Guardian CIF - they want industries renationalised, higher taxes for everyone but themselves, more jobs but fewer companies to create those jobs, more government intervention in everything, despite the fact that they hate the current government only a little more than the last, which they regarded as 'not left-wing enough'.
I don't think any sensible person needs to take them seriously - they can believe several impossible and contradictory things before breakfast, without breaking sweat.
Perhaps more pertinently, Nuccitelli does not engage with any of the points raised by Montford.
Soarer
It's the mental equivalent of quantum entanglement. Their neurons can be in two different
places at the same time. Quite a clever device because it allows to to dey that which is in
front of your eyes, when it is convenient to do so.
What do we expect from someone like Nuccitelli who is after all a shill for Big Oil.
But to quote Lenin "what is to be done?".
Round up the entire Guardian readership, the north London chattering classes, anyone who works for the BBC, the top five percent in any form of publicly funded administration and the entire membership of Greenpeace, Friends of The Earth and the WWF.
Then parachute these people into North Korea, where they may find that the political, economic and social environment does not meet their expectations.
But for the rest of us it would be win-win.
Especially anyone who works for the BBC. Those people epitomise the smug liberal mentality, shuddering with revulsion at the tastes and thoughts of the broad masses (whom they profess to admire) while happily working in what plainly is a moral and financial sewer.
bill,
It is interesting the doublethink that the chatterati have about the "good common people".
I suspect they truly believe that the excesses of the 'common man' are caused by capitalist repression, and if they were allowed to live in a truly 'equal society' without money then suddenly the lager-swilling skinheads and dole-scroungers would be producing amazing works of art and literature, contributing tirelessly and altruistically to society,helping their fellow man towards the common good. Preferably with the chateratti themselves at the helm, guiding these good people who are unable to see the way forward.
This sort of lefty ideal saviour of the masses myth has been proven to be bunk time and time again, but each generation seems to spawn another splurge of lefty messiah-fantasists.
What a landmark paper it has come to be.
By comparing the translated passages in Nuccitelli with the original Montford, we are able to decode the Nuccitello: a Rosetta Stone of Nuccitello!
@DaveA - but do we want to ?
It is somewhat akin to the thick-tongued crapulent language adopted by public bodies in general. You know the stuff: "customers" who don't directly pay for a service, "stakeholders" who are often actually just victims of the bureaucracy...
I think future generations will look back in wonderment at the kind of rhetorical trickery displayed by the left-establishment.
A quick totting up of newspaper circulation reveals that there is also a 97.7% consensus that the British Public prefer to buy a newspaper other than the Guardian.
(I can't talk: I buy it once a week...)
They didn't have quite enough rope previously, but in combination it should now be enough.
The Guardian commenters and a fair few of their writers are always describing the Daily Mail and their readers in less than flattering terms.
The funny thing is that there's far more bile and hate in the Guardian than in Mail, a lot of them read like they've escaped fromm Broadmoor.
As for Nuccitello, crazy name, crazy guy.
I have to say I have no interest at all in what this particular nut job has to say
on the other hand Ross McKitrick makes a lot of sense
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/09/16/ipcc-models-getting-mushy/
97.6% of daily newspaper readers choose to read a newspaper that is not the Guardian. (187,000 out of 7.9 million read the Guardian - ABC figures June 2013). I guess that is a consensus.
From the Urban Dictionary...
nuccitelli: The act of holding both testicles in one's mouth while tossing the salad of the same individual.
Hey guys, after the game who wants to give me a nuccitelli?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nuccitelli
"Today Dana Nuccitelli has written.."
Trivial, I know, but I did mention this yesterday on 'Unthreaded'...
Amazing to see that the error of two "Stage 2's" in the Grauniad piece is replicated in the SkS version, so not only can Dana not write, but he can't count either!
I assume he's either so self-important that he doesn't bother to read his own output, or he has the wrong number of fingers.
The most important point to note is that this is no longer Science.
It's Politics.
The scientific discussion has been won. Whether the political one will be is open to question. But it should be noted that we have started on the political discussion...
BigYin - agreed. Leftists are reduced to seeing the poor as victims of a capitalist plot, the alternative - that poverty in cash is only the economic outworking of moral and intellectual poverty - is too grim for them to bear. How can you patronise, 'help' people whose circumstances are either their own or nobody's fault? In short, without the poor (as victims) where would all the do-gooders be? And yet they are hopelessly muddled anyway. If the poor are so pathetic and helpless and need so much from Lady Harriet Harman et al, why do they get votes? Either you're a dependent child or you are not, surely?
I think there are some clues to be found in the psychology behind Nuccitello - by studying the strange photo-shopped images that turned up in an unprotected file on the Skeptical Science website.
Apart from the rather worrying Nazi ones (some with the lovingly added SkS logos) :-
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1_herrcook.jpg
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/herrtankboy.jpg
"http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/skstroopers_marked.jpg
There were the carefully constructed images of Dana in the persona of his Sci-fi heroes - often as the subject of swooning female adoration:-
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/timemachineboy4.jpg
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/timemachineboy1.jpg
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/timemachineboy3.jpg
Most of these images involved a lot of thought, preparation and careful work. Someone had to source the originals, do the artwork for various changes and spend hours on photo-shopping. This wasn't a trivial, spur-of-the-moment prank - it was somebody's serious attempt to live out their fantasies.
Obviously there is fertile ground here for the enquiring mind of a "climate psychologist" like their soulmate Professor Lew, - but since he's fled the country, I'll have a stab.
Combined with the juvenile plotting & boasting on the leaked forum that Bish refers to - it's quite obvious we're dealing with a bunch of immature, permanent adolescents with advanced narcissistic tendencies.
The shameless lying, distortion, misrepresentation and comment editing they engage in at their blog is a part of the same pattern.
They can never see two sides of an argument - because that would introduce the idea that they might be wrong about something - which is clearly an impossible concept for them.
I've often thought that Monbiot was a bit near the edge - but the idea of the Guardian turning over most of its science coverage to these fruitcakes is beyond satire.
Perhaps we should leave off with the criticisms of Scooter. As good Christians we should rejoice in the fact little Dana is growing up, and living his dream. (Well, at least part of it - a photoshop pic doesn't really mean Dana's graduated from motoscooter to tank commander.) He has transformed himself from your average run of the mill consultant, into a recognized journalist (maybe that should be talking head, since it isn't exactly journalism he does) and more importantly, a "climate scientist" (sort of).
If we constantly point out his flaws, how can we ever expect him to develop past his little attack puppy demeaner? As it says in I Corinthians 13:7 - "Love never gives up, never loses faith,is always hopeful, and endures." Lets show Dana some love. Forgivith him his transpassess, though they be many.
His a poor BS artist , when 'the cause ' falls he goes back to be being a total nothing , so he is doing all he can to keep himself in the spotlight. There are dog's left overs sitting on the pavement I would giver more scientific credit to than anything he pushes out.
Your Grace
Surely the language is Nutticello?
But of course, he IS in a jam....
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/nuccitello_jam1.jpg
Moonbat was hawking _runaway_ global warming - that's why he had to go.
Rather than "Nuccitello", you might find that it's "Nutella" - i.e., nuts, with a hint of cocoa.