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Monday
Oct012012

Green honesty

This morning we have an amusing example of the green approach to truth and accuracy. Fiona Armstrong, the Australian green, retweeted the Climate and Health Alliance, an organisation of which she is a board member, as follows:

Climate change and the carbon intensive global economy r already responsible for five million deaths each year

The link is to a press release by Caha, signed by Armstrong herself. If you follow the link you find two statements on the numbers of global deaths.

A failure to act on climate change is costing the global economy $1.2 trillion annually and is responsible for 400,000 deaths each year,

and

The DARA 2012 Climate Vulnerability Monitor report entitled “Cold Calculus for a Hot Planet” said a continued pattern of the world’s current carbon intensive energy use would cause 6 million deaths a year by 2030, with 700,000 of these attributable to climate change;

Take an exaggeration and exaggerate it a whole lot more.

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Reader Comments (48)

Don't the Greens believe that there are far too many people on the planet anyway? One would have thought they would have seen this in a positive light.

Oct 1, 2012 at 7:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy Old Man

The report analysis by that well-known denier, Bjorn Lomborg, points out that the 400,000/year is an exaggeration of a made up figure in the first place, and consists mainly of people who die from 'carbon' caused by indoor fires for cooking and warmth.

So the solution is probably the exact opposite of what the greens want, i.e. to provide lots of nice clean electricity to the poor of the world.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/28/not_so_hot?page=full

Oct 1, 2012 at 8:06 AM | Unregistered Commentersteveta

However, what is real and provable is that road deaths exceed a million a year globally. Serious injuries are a multiple of that.

Then we have the much greater scourge of bad water and disease. Hunger. War and violence.

If we are really concerned about our fellow man, there are serious concerns that obviously and with no exaggeration of the numbers we need to help with. The fantastic stories about climate change deaths as a main scourge are just diversions from getting down to doing something about real and present problems.

Oct 1, 2012 at 8:11 AM | Unregistered Commentermichel

There is a strong argument for banning beds.

A huge proportion of people die in bed.

We must stop this senseless loss of life NOW!

Oct 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterMartin Brumby

"road deaths exceed a million a year"

I expect she's including those. They are carbon-related, after all...

Oct 1, 2012 at 8:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Green policies such as high energy for heating bills & biofuel have caused a magnitude of deaths higher than CO2 emissions. I would think that an in depth inquiry would concur that low energy prices however achieved would be a major life saver.

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Whale

Politics and environmentalism.

Two branches of public life where you can lie through your teeth with no apparent adverse consequences to your career.

When you combine the two....phew!

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterJack Savage

The number of hypothermia deaths in Britain has doubled in the last five years.
This is pretty much in line with the rise in electricity gas and oil..

Windturbine and solar subsidies and restrictions on coal have created a mindless killing machine.

Mainly pensioners on fixed tiny pensions are faced with the choice of staying warm or eating.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/276284.stm

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterBryan

Take an average base line temperature of 15c, divest me of all clothing and shelter, add/subtract 20c and I guarantee you I'll survive longer at 35c than at -5c!

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterSunderlandSteve

Representing the gravest economic crisis since...er...seventeen...forty...er ...two!

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Reed

And yet the Gobal population continues to rise, and will continue to rise if the Greens get their policies implemented.

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:49 AM | Registered CommenterBreath of Fresh Air

What she worried about that's couple of million less carbon footprints .
Couple of million less hungry mouths to feed.

Better idea instead of spending billions Capturing Carbon and paying dirt poor peasants not to cut down trees for a few Dollars each
Why not spend millions putting Roads, Electricity and Fresh Water out to these 3rd World Villages.
Proper factory farming and proper factory industry.Make Playstations and Toyota's instead of Babies.
These people will be able to look after themselves for once and not Oxfam and UNICEF .

My 1st rant of the day.

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:50 AM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

The shrinking violets at the BBC are making sure that they've got the exaggerations covered at the other end of the scale: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19758440

Now it's global warming, not overfishing, that's going to be responsible for reduced sizes of modelled adult fish. A case of "Honey, We Shrank The Fish."?

The BBC then even manages to take the pi$$ out of itself by juxtaposing this above the other recent story copied-from-the-back-of-a-box-of-breakfast-cereal about there being only 100 adult cod left in the North Sea. Only now the BBC are making sure we know that the Daily Telegraph fell for this one first.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19755695

My spell-checker still keeps suggesting that I replace www.bbc.co.uk with “Cock-and-Bull”. Microsoft clearly knows how to get some things right.

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:53 AM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

It's amazing how the greens worry about non-existent deaths from global warming, but don't give a FF that 2000 children a day die from malaria because of DDT bans lobbied for by the er, let me think now who lobbied for the banning of DDT...

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:02 AM | Unregistered Commentergeronimo

Fiona should have asked Stephan Lewandowsky to check the maths before issuing the press release. He is, after all, an expert advisor to CAHA.

(On second thoughts, perhaps he did check.)

http://caha.org.au/about/governance/

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM | Registered CommenterDreadnought

It's the 1st of October. Down under that's obviously the equivalent of April Fools Day. And you all fell for this joke item.

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Ah, but, geronimo. DDT was never actually banned, you understand. That's just a myth put about by Big Someone or Other. All we ever did was move heaven and earth to get governments to stop allowing people to use it. Not the same thing at all.
And as for people dying. Well, we all have to die of something sooner or later and our plans will just mean that a few million of the unnecessary ones will die a bit quicker. I mean, the poor, the old — who needs them? As for the differently-hued indigenous populations of faraway countries about which we know very little, have you seen the way they breed? Quite disgusting.

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:29 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

And, adding to the pressure from the U.K. green and "celebrity" exaggeration front (courtesy of the Guardian & h/t ToryAardvark via twitter] we only have 50 months to prevent catastrophic climate change and save the planet:

Ignoring global warming is 'reckless' of the government, warn campaigners

Greenpeace and Oxfam among those warning that more must be done to stop critical climate change threshold being breached

[...]

The signatories [of a letter to the Guardian] including senior figures at Greenpeace, Oxfam and the Women's Institute, as well as the designer Dame Vivienne Westwood and the environmental campaigner Bianca Jagger, warn there are just 50 months left before it will become unlikely that a 2C temperature rise can be prevented. The UK and the EU have set the 2C mark as a line the world should not cross.

[...]

The campaigners say the lack of action comes against a backdrop, this year, of a record loss of sea ice, greenhouse gas concentrations above the Arctic at their highest point for possibly 800,000 years, and crop-wrecking droughts and record temperatures in the US mid-west.

[...]

John Sauven, executive director of Greenpeace , has committed to more direct action to protect the Arctic from oil drilling, while Westwood said there was a need to inflame public opinion and blame politicians for the crisis.

The letter urges politicians to say what they will do "to grab the opportunity of action and prevent catastrophic climate change".

Looks like we need to brace ourselves for a lot of "inflamed" air. But, on the bright side, I suppose ... at least these activists are not pretending to be scientists (or psychologists)!

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM | Registered CommenterHilary Ostrov

Ive been bothering Brendan.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4280782.html

Don't Disagree .But Simpler when the Berlin Wall came down the Left was left out in the cold. So they jumped on the woolly hat Eco Bandwagon.Just Morphed into Anti Consumerism and Industrialism.Just a straight forward political vacum power grab.Get new Green votes .Unfortunately also morphed into Keeping the affluent "Plebby" lower classes in their place.

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:58 AM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Heavens, Hilary!
I didn't realise Vivienne Westwood and Bianca Jagger had said we only have 50 months left to save the world. I thought it was just science-talk. If important people say it, it must be so.
Mustn't it? :-)

Oct 1, 2012 at 11:32 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Hilary

greenhouse gas concentrations above the Arctic

What happened to tropospheric mixing* then? Or is this just more unsubstantiated green spin to suggest that CO2 melts ice? (or did until about a week ago). Perhaps I've answered my own question.. :-)

*I know that's strictly a tautology, but it'll do for me.

Oct 1, 2012 at 11:47 AM | Registered Commenterjamesp

BTW, after the coldest summer I can remember, another two degrees would be very welcome!

Oct 1, 2012 at 11:54 AM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Question for Mike Jackson

"Vivienne Westwood and Bianca Jagger had said we only have 50 months left to save the world. I thought it was just science-talk. If important people say it, it must be so.
Mustn't it? :-)"


Ere Vivienne Westwood and Bianca Jagger important people ?

Oct 1, 2012 at 12:02 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Hiliary Ostrov,
50 Months to save the Earth? Is it getting shorter again? I think you're listening to the wrong people. Even David Bowie said it was "Five Years":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU

Oct 1, 2012 at 12:09 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

In the 1980s, a Boeing 747 was on finals one morning at Bombay (as it was then called) when a light aircraft strayed into the flight path. After a well-drilled go around led to stabilization, the pilot used the mike to berate the air traffic controller. After a lengthy pause, the response came back, "Oh, goodness gracious, not another day like Tuesday!".

In Australia, bad news on climate comes out every day, not just on Tuesdays. Sadly, Australia is punching above its weight in the weird stakes, reflecting a failure of honest, objective teaching and education for the past few decades. Many of the greens I have met are teachers by admission.

If it helps, to the extent that I can, I apologise for Australia's bad publications recently.

Oct 1, 2012 at 12:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterGeoff Sherrington

The signatories [of a letter to the Guardian] including senior figures at Greenpeace, Oxfam and the Women's Institute, as well as the designer Dame Vivienne Westwood and the environmental campaigner Bianca Jagger, warn there are just 50 months left before it will become unlikely that a 2C temperature rise can be prevented. The UK and the EU have set the 2C mark as a line the world should not cross.

Err. Shouldn't someone quietly tell them that warming stopped way back in 1998, so there's no need to get their knickers in a twist!

Oct 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM | Unregistered Commenterilma630

Maybe these celebs should talk to Paul Simon and get him to release a slightly modified version of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds

Something along the lines of ....

"The problem is all inside your head", she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle for 2-C
There's just fifty months to save the planet

She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my data won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There's just fifty months to save the planet
Fifty months to save the planet

[etc. etc]

;-)

Oct 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM | Registered CommenterHilary Ostrov

"I hope my data won't be lost or misconstrued"

Brilliant!

Oct 1, 2012 at 1:04 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Apparently the usual refrain of "but you're not a climate scientist!" doesn't apply to z list celebs and NGO employees.

Oct 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterNW

Hilary -
That was Hilary-ous! Now you just have to add some more lines like
"Just hop on your bike, Mike"
"Paint your roof white, Dwight"
&c

Oct 1, 2012 at 3:32 PM | Registered CommenterHaroldW

You just add a new tax, Jax
Graph a new plan, Mann (ooops!)
Don't try to be coy, Roy (Spencer?)
Just be carbon free
Take the bus, Gus
Don't question temps and such
Wind is the key, Lee
To be carbon free

Oct 1, 2012 at 3:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterEric H.

Re. Oct 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM ilma630

"Err. Shouldn't someone quietly tell them that warming stopped way back in 1998, so there's no need to get their knickers in a twist!"

I thought that Vivienne Westwood did not wear any !

Oct 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn de Melle

I suppose the WI have jumped on the bandwagon because of the poor fruit harvest this year will result in a downturn in their finances due to lack of jam produced.

Oct 1, 2012 at 5:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy

"Green honesty"

An oxymoron?

Oct 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Public

And the hysterics continue.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/great-reef-catastrophe-20121002-26vzq.html

Does the shrillness of the clamouring lately mean the catastrophsits know they've been sidelined, or are about to be? Hope so but not holding my breath.

Oct 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris M

The second law of thermodynamics and our carbon-intensive living systems are responsible for ALL deaths worldwide

Oct 1, 2012 at 10:20 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

Is it just me who believes that anything with "celebrity endorsement" must, by definition, be complete rubbish?

Oct 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Keiller

Bianca Jagger and Vivienne Westwood?

Yeah, I always look to multi-millionaire clotheshorses whose combined carbon footprint is approximately that of Mali in a good year for guidance on these matters.

And Geoff Sherrington is right - we seem to have become one of the last havens for lying rascalism, thanks to a spineless government and a lazy MSM. The latest 'half the Barrier Reef coral is gone' nonsense will actually be believed by some people, unfortunately.

Oct 2, 2012 at 1:54 AM | Unregistered Commenterjohanna

Oct 2, 2012 at 1:54 AM | johanna
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This is a vast improvement over blaming global warming, ocean acidification, rising sea levels, etc., they've worked out now that we know they're FOS. Wasn't so long ago that an esteemed researcher from JCU proclaimed the GBR as being in great health, much better than we thought.

Oct 2, 2012 at 3:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterStreetcred

"Green honesty" is a misnomer.
"Green dishonesty" is the only term I will accept....as in FRAUD DECEIT FALSITY PERFIDY TRICKERY CHICANERY FALSEHOOD.

Oct 2, 2012 at 8:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterMaurice@TheMount

Police-sponsored effective rape of young activists by the likes of Mark Kennedy shows greens not more dishonest, rather more easy to fall for dishonesty. And that explains why many green leaders are dishonest.

Oct 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM | Registered Commenteromnologos

I emailed Ms. Armstrong, to ask for her comments on all these differing figures. I have had no reply. Nor did I when I emailed the new leader of the Green Party here in the UK, asking how she came up with the figure she gave out on TV, that the "green" sector, whatever that is, now contributes as much as the City to UK GDP - i.e. c 11 or 12%. I got no reply. Indeed, not once, when emailing anyone involved in Green/CAGW scamworld requesting clarification of this, that or the other, have I had a reply. All my emails are written carefully so as not to offend - but it seems that just to question these weirdos is in itself an offence.

[manners]

Oct 2, 2012 at 12:53 PM | Registered Commenterjeremyp99

Streetcred

Only this morning Harrabin was reporting storm damage to (I think) the Gt Barrier Reef, but couldn't resist adding "but also caused by warming seas and ocean acidification".

They never give up, do they?

Oct 2, 2012 at 1:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2011/september/acidsea-hurt-biodiversity-091211.html

Got an Australian Story.

BBC News blaming the destruction of Australia Great Barrier Reef on increased Acidity in the oceans from CO2 .Climate Change angle obviously.

Volcanoes spewing out lava under the ocean increasing the Acid Levels ?
Any body know any active Volcanoes under the Pacific?


Also check File on four on Radio Four Tonight about Mark Kennedy undercover cop who Infiltrated
The Environmental Movement.Got an interview with his ex Girlfriend.Who he was informing on.

Oct 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

I always find the truly over-the-top garbage claims, where there is literally no evidence at all, to be the most comedic manifestations of climate kookiness. This is certainly a good example.

Oct 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM | Unregistered Commenterlurker, passing through laughing

Dellingpoles latest Telegraph blog is having a go back at Ian Hislop.

Ian gone from our nations favourite Saturist to Establishment Lackey.
He should have learn t from his old Mentors Peter Cook, Richard Ingrams and Chris Booker.

Ian lives in the beautiful English Village of Sissinghurst in English Garden County of Kent.
Thousand of unspoilt acres of glorious British countryside.

Near where David Jason and Catherine Zeta Jones filmed darling Buds of May.

Be such shame if poor Ian couldn't perform at his best on Have I Got News For You .Poor Ian kept awake at night by the sound of whirl whirl whirl from the local Wind Turbines in field next door to his idyllic Farm House in kent.

I'm in South London anyone know of any planning applications for Wind Turbines in Kent.See what Ian's Neighbors think.

Oct 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Once upon a time, Delingpole would have been a senior contributor (and possible editor) of Private Eye. Now, it has become part of the Establishment, and disrespectful young pups like dellers and fenbeagle and no doubt others I have not heard of (being on the other side of the world) are snapping at their palsied, gouty heels.

I bet Peter Cook would never have fallen for all this New Puritanism!

Oct 2, 2012 at 9:17 PM | Unregistered Commenterjohanna

2 Oct 2012: 'la Nacion,' San Jose, CR
Mercedes Aguero R., on bids for 'generacion limpia / Aire y agua: dos fuerzas naturales'
This two-page report [actually, over half the space offers an idylic view of wind-mills] on the above-the-fold cover story deserves attention, principally as an example of Central American MSM boosterism.

http://www.nacion.com/2012-10-02/ElPais/28-empresas-ofrecen-generarle-luz-al-ICE-con-agua-y-viento.aspx

A side-bar interview exhibits unfamiliarity with competition: the reporter wonders why the process resulted in offers totaling 360 MW, when ICE, Costa Rica's state monopoly, plans for an additional 140 MW of commercial clean energy.

http://www.nacion.com/2012-10-02/ElPais/Mario-Alvarado---El-precio-es-competitivo-.aspx

The numbers look odd, also: $0.08-0.14 per kWh.

Oct 3, 2012 at 8:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn R T

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