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Sep 28, 2010 Climate: McIntyre Congratulations to Steve McIntyre, who is included in the New Statesman's list of "50 people who matter". The campaign to have Steve elected a fellow of the Royal Society starts here. :-)
Reader Comments (24)
Typical that the Journo' ends the entry with a comment on his influence not being "positive".
However, the comments show that readers are having none of this bias.
Like the comment about electing Steve to the Royal Society. After the debacle of their involvement in the climategate inquiries, and the sheer embarassment felt every time Beddington (a notable fellow of the Society, claims to know a lot about the science of fishing) opens his mouth on CC matters, Steve would lend some much needed credibility to the organization at this difficult time.
Seriously, his contribution to CC 'Science' has been extraordinary. The Royal Society would do well to take note!
what I loved was the sober and extraordinarily moving paeans of praise on the New Statesman website comments.
I don't think the RS would be foolish to have SM on board. To have someone who could give them input on climate scepticism and citizen science would actually be very enlightening. It will never happen though.
From the New Statesman:
There have been 54 comments: 53 in support - 1 who said:
Says it all, really.
Good to see SM getting the recognition he rightly deserves.
However, for those of us hoping that such tireless efforts will have a material impact on our political class, read this speech by William Hague (UK Foreign Secretary) recently delivered at the Council on Foreign Relations.
http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2270476/william-hague-climate-change
"McIntyre is wrong. But don't believe me, just wait 20 years. By then it will be obvious"
Another "End of the World is Nigh" story. The original had the World ending in 1000AD. The originators of the story were 1010 years out and counting. There are an increasing number of scientists who, according to the information available to them, consider it likely there will be a Northerm Hemisphere if not global,cool period lasting 20-40 years, so I have to agree with you. It will be obvious.
McIntire is not a denier, He doesn't like poor science and stays strictly within his field of statistics. Much of criticism of AGW sciences use of statistical method has proved well-founded, to the extent that such proceedures as considered adequate by AGW /IPCC standards would be completely unacceptable in other sciences, for example, pharma compound analysis and development. It is little wonder that McIntire. has been so traduced by the "faithful", nor why the general public are increasingly doubtful abour "Climate Disruption" as we are now supposed to call AGW.
Perhaps HRH the Prince of Wales, as a Royal Fellow of 32 years standing, will nominate Steve.
You should be going for the Nobel prize Bish - perhaps next year.
PaulH from Scotland, thank you for the link to Hague's speech. Very depressing. I sincerely find incredible the complete lack of doubt demonstrated by our's and other world politicians, about the alarmism preached by the IPCC, the UN and the green movement in general.How can they be so blatantly dismissive of even the most highly qualified scientist's scepticism?
I detest conspiracy theories but perhaps there is a case for believing that politicians are deliberately promoting the CAGW hypothesis as a reason to change, for ever, the established way of life of the developed nations..
no they just want to get perceived votes. As shallow as that
@ Peter Stroud
At one level, at suspect Barry Woods is correct in that our society has been so indoctrinated in 'environmentalism is a good thing', that many politicians simply see it as a 'dog whistle' issue (to quote our US friends) in getting votes, despite it clearly being against their best interests.
However, in relation to your conspiracy theory concerns, I have to admit that I'm seeing more and more evidence of the success of the 'dripping tap' Fabian Socialism strategy.
I'm far from a raging right-winger, but I still sway between bafflement and depression about the ignorance and apathy of my fellow citizens that allows them to be so comprehensively lied to and subsequently fleeced.
For what it's worth, and I've stated it here before, given the massive vested financial and political interests, CAGW will only die when our Western economies collapse; which is getting closer by the day.
Heads I lose, tails I lose.
As you said, depressing.
Can somebody help me out here? I went up and down the list 3 times and didn't see Gavin. Where's Gavin's name? He must be in there somewhere. We all know how great thou art Gavin is.
PaulH:
The collapse of our economy won't be long given how much money we are promising foreign wind developers. It's truly mind-boggling in its stupidity. I reckon we'll be paying these foreign developers over £4million per day for intermittent electricity. I'm more and more seriously considering going off-grid. According to The Times (Business) September 27 2010:
Plans to build a giant offshore wind farm covering nearly 5,000 square kilometres in the North Sea will move one step closer today.
Its developers will announce that they have secured a connection to the National Grid, increasing the prospect of the £15 billion Hornsea wind project being built off the Yorkshire coast.
The Smart Wind Consortium, a joint venture between Siemens Project Ventures, of Germany, and Ireland’s Mainstream Renewable Power, has secured the link for the project, which is designed to produce a maximum of 4,000 megawatts of electricity — enough to power up to three million homes or 4 per cent of total UK demand.
Andy Kinsella, Smart Wind’s chairman, said that the news was a “hugely significant step” for the project, which will include up to 1,000 turbines stretching across a 4,735 square kilometre swath of the central North Sea. The site is located 34 to 190 kilometres offshore in water depths of up to 70 metres.
The agreement with National Grid will permit the wind park to start feeding 1,000 megawatts of electricity into its Killingholme substation, near the River Humber, from 2014. Additional capacity will be added later to take the project up to its 4,000 megawatt total output by 2020.
Hochtief, the German engineering group, is set to oversee the construction phase of the project alongside Siemens and Mainstream.
Hornsea is one of the three largest of the nine offshore wind zones awarded by the Crown Estate as part of its Round Three programme of wind energy development in December 2009.
Together the projects will have a total planned installed capacity of 32,000 megawatts, in theory enough to meet a quarter of the UK’s electricity needs when the wind is blowing.
Detailed environmental studies are under way into the wind farm, which will have a width approximately equivalent to that of Britain from Liverpool to Hull.
The news of the breakthrough comes after the opening last week of the Thanet offshore wind farm, the largest in the world to date. Its 100 turbines could generate enough power for 200,000 homes.
Eddie O’Connor, the Irish founder and chief executive of Mainstream Renewable Power, predicted that the cost of generating electricity from offshore wind would fall by 30 per cent over the next six years. He said that new equipment, including turbines equipped with permanent magnets, would be able to increase energy production and also reduce costs.
“We want to be the Ryanair, the low-cost developer, of wind,” Mr O’Connor said, emphasising that the UK had sufficient support for offshore wind energy in place.
“Britain has a very, very adequate support scheme for offshore wind.”
Clear from the New Statesman article that the writer has no clue on where Steve actually stands in this debate.
This is terrific news. Well done Steve M. and indeed you too Andrew for your cracking book without which I would know so little about the Illusion.
Canada has an order of knighthood to honour those who have made significant contributions. This is the "Order of Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Canada>. Smc is highly deserving of being granted membership in this order at its highest rank - Companion.
James Delingpole covers the story (Steve McIntyre: total bloody hero) with a mention of HSI.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055793/steve-mcintyre-total-bloody-hero/
William Hague's climate change speech confirms why a substantial portion of Conservative support has vaporised. The other has to do with ''cast iron' and someone called Dave, who, perhaps learning that cast iron contains a high proportion of a certain element he would prefer to sequestrate, has yet to honour a certain pledge.
"The other has to do with ''cast iron' and someone called Dave, who, perhaps learning that cast iron contains a high proportion of a certain element he would prefer to sequestrate, has yet to honour a certain pledge."
Sep 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM | Pharos
Don't you worry Pharos, just like all the other real political parties, the Tories have tackling CO2 emissons at the heart of their manifesto. Whatever your politics, it's very encouraging to see that all the real parties are committed to trying to combat climate change.
And Labour rule. Obviously*.
*Not in an actual sense, they've just resoundlingly lost the general election. But in a 'Mods rule' kind of a way.
One Bill O'Slatter seems mightily displeased at Steve’s recognition:
“Sorry to interrupt this orgy of congratulation for the Steve, this real Steve fest. Firstly a point that needs to be reiterated. Steve is not a mathematician , or if you like, he is not a statistician. He has shone a light into nothing, he has contributed nothing to climate science. He has contributed to oil shilldom.
Now what points do you want to debate you collection of sucks.
What do you want to debate sucks ?MW2010..MBH 98, or the disappeared MMH2010,
Steve's singular skill is to take any topic in climate science and turn it into drivel.”
“McIntyre is merely an oil shill who goes running up to Heartland conferences with his pants down. He will be remembered scientifically for nothing.”
That is the level of debate of the CAGW alarmists. They are seriously worried if that is the best they can come up with.
I am a life-long Tory and I know my Party. When the PCP does something absolutely clueless, like building thousands of Bird mincers that won't work in times of high demand - invariably when the wind doesn't blow, instead of building wave powered devices which will produce power 24/7, there is only one rule. Follow The Money. The same goes for the virtual market in carbon credits, a global Ponzi
scheme if ever I saw one. As for wavering Dave, he has the misfortune to be more in love with the other Coalition party than with the one he leads.
The Royal Society is for established scientists - Steve is not one of those.
The appropriate recognition should be a Nobel. I can think of no other person who has contributed so much to Science - in a real sense he has saved it from, amongst others, the President of the Royal Society...
DG. @ Sep 30, 2010 at 12:52 AM . Apparently the Prince of Wales is enough of a Scientist to be made a Fellow of the RS. News to me. As I remember, there was a humble Austrian Jewish Library Clerk with little scientific education who brought some remarkable insights into astro-physics, and the RS missed the importance of his work as well. The RS is no longer a repository for scientific achievement but a closed shop for the maintenance and protection of the "Consensus" of the politically aware.