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Jul 30, 2010 Books Climate: HSI According to the Wiki page for The Hockey Stick Illusion, the book has been cited in a paper by Oxford legal scholar Elizabeth Fisher. It's good to see an impact being made outside the narrow confines of the climate blogosphere.
Reader Comments (33)
Ah, but is it a peer reviewed paper?
Don't worry, I'm sure Connolly et al, will soon excise the reference!
I just looked at the discussion page for your wiki page. Almost lost the will to live.
Ya it`s a killer Jonathan :) trying to get anything positive into a "Skeptical" article is hard bloody work, but it pisses of the gatekeepers over there so it`s worth it. I`m going to be topic banned soon though so the article will probably be trashed
O and andrew, your book was also cited by the hartwell paper
Bishop
It's good to see an impact being made outside the narrow confines of the climate blogosphere.
Yes, that is the important thing. We all already know about it. And we are what percentage of the total population -- 0.1%? Whatever it is, is it minuscule.
However as more people, particularly the legal profession learn of it, it will have much more impact. I am waiting for you to become a "expert" witness for some legal case or another. It will happen.
Do remember to show up in your robes, miter and crozier. Sandals are optional.
I'm an alumnus of the Oxford college (Corpus Christi) of author Elizabeth Fisher. I suspect that that would surprise her.
36. For examples see the two papers making up ‘The Stern Review: A Dual Critique’ (2006) 7
World Economics 165; the issues raised in Downs v Secretary of State for Environment Food
and Rural Affairs [2009] Env LR 19; and A Macintosh, ‘The Garnut Review’s Targets and
Trajectories: A Critique’ (2009) 26 Environmental Planning And Law Journal 88. See the
case studies in Michaels (n 35), and B Lomborg, The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of theWorld (CUP, Cambridge 2001).
37. A W Montford, The Hockey Stick Illusion: Climategate and the Corruption of Science (Stacey International, London 2010).
38. R Pielke and T Wigley,‘Dangerous Assumptions’ (2008) 452 Nature 531.
39. E Kintisch, ‘Stolen E-mails Turn Up Heat on Climate Change Rhetoric’ (2009) 326 Science
1329.
Attention moderator, not for posting. hello, my name is Peter Walsh at walshpc@eircom.net and my name on the Bishop's blog is RETEPHSLAW. I would like to change this name. Is that possible? My reason is that I am just an ordinary foot soldier in the AGW scenario. I did science in school in Dublin up to Leaving Cert level, equivalent to A Level in the UK. Compared to all the brillaint people who form the backbone on this blog, I am a mere pygmy. I read as much as I can about the sciences and Astronomy etc to keep informed but I will never be able to comment as well as your usual writers. I have great respect for all the scientists, physicists and others like P. Bratby, The Don etc so could I change my name to " A Pygmy amongst Giants" please.
RETEPHSLAW
so could I change my name to " A Pygmy amongst Giants" please.
Denied. You are an equal amongst caring people, so be happy with what you are. :)
Frankly, I find your posts interesting. Perhaps they could be flavored with a bit more craic but come on out to the west and have a pint. There are plenty seanchaí to be found in the pubs of Kerry, for sure. They will be happy to teach ya. Ye might also stop by Castle Blarney and pay the nice young man to hold yer scrawny legs whist ye kiss the stone.
I have a contrary saying "Standing in the footprints of giants", wherein I am alluding to a dismally common practice by worshippers of the holy, the me too brigade, do nothing original and get the same answer every time.
A pigmy standing on the shoulders of a giant can see for miles, is not a giant burden.
We need your logic. And apparantly the Royal Society and HMG also. Better go for Verger Spock or The Lay Vulcan!
For what it's worth, it seems to me that the aforementioned Ms Fisher might be the ideal person to handle a "proper" enqiry...should one ever be commissioned!
I am a mere artisan from north west england who, without any education to speak of, let alone scientific background, has stumbled on this marvelous blog; others will too if I have any thing to do with it. I've just received THE Book, now, where do I buy the T-shirt so ordinary folk can spread the word?
MeIknownothin'
Welcome man from God's Country, like the idea of the T shirt.
Enjoy The Book, takes a while, but the awareness is well worth it.
RETEPHSLAW
no mate, stay anonymous for a bit longer if possible.
Unless someone has the one time pad, your secret is uncrackable!
Having said that, however, your attempt to out is commendable but, given the political climate, foolhardy.
But, nonetheless, you a one brave individual.
Salute, sir and thank you.
RETEP, that we are having this conversation would have been unthinkable twenty years ago. What the dickens has become of life in the UK that makes me a coward while you remain heroic?
Has freedom become negotiable to the extent that I am reduced to admitting that I'm a coward of the state while shouting your praises ?
I really need to disavow my cowardice but how do I begin to do that?
MeIknownothin'
First of all, you can think for yourself. That is what is important. Fancy degrees mean nothing if you can't think.
As for Tee Shirts Josh has been known to make them. Have a chat with him.
Jonathon Bagley - re discussion page.
A quick copy and paste into MS Word gives the the following -
Article - 7 Pages 1,181 words, 216 lines
Discussion - 27 pages, 13,622 words, 1,125 lines. 17 comments William M Connolley, 33 comments mark nutley, 34 comments Kim D Petersen.
GrantB
You can also use MS word to do counts of specific words with "Replace All". The magic box appears and tells you how many occurrences. Not as good as the tools in Unix or Linux, but it is what you have with Windows.
DPdlS - yep, thats how I counted the comments of the well known book reviewer W.M Connolley. And the others.
As we all know, the science of the climate is "settled" and the mathematical models are "robust". By way of comparison with some mathematics that is robust but isn't settled (although I'm still working on it) the Wiki for Riemann's Hypothesis has
Article - 29 pages, 10,027 words, 1,117 lines
Discussion - 10 pages, 3,849 words, 338 lines
Sort of an inverse effect. No sign of Connolley or Petersen
@PeterWalsh
'So could I change my name to " A Pygmy amongst Giants" please.'
Nope.
There is no scope in science for relativism of intellect ....no matter what Newton may have said (and his famous remark was possibly meant as an insult anyway).
Carry on asking questions. Do not be satisfied until you have arrived at sensible answers with evidence and plausibility. Do not defer to 'scientific authority' - that is the route chosen by other blogs than this. Do not be browbeaten by aggression and arrogance.
And if I may suggest some reading (if you haven't already).
'Surely You're Joking Mr Feynman', by Richard Feynman.
Do not be fooled by the title. Though it is indeed a very funny book, it contains some profound truths about science and knowledge. Many of which are high relevant to the matters awe discuss here.
A wonderful book...from one who would have hated to be called a Giant of Science.
Could be the start of something. To get anything done against the wishes of the MSM or the establishment you need to get the 'vultures' involved, ie the 'lawyers'. These people will sell their souls for the price of a pint. Give them a totally winnable case such as that against AGW, and watch them go to town in a VERY public arena.
Perhaps someone could sue the EPA in the USA for losses involved in forcing businesses to embrace carbon reduction policies, or perhaps someone this side of the pond could do something similar.
Arguing with the 'science' is pointless as it can be dismissed as a group of 'scientists' squabbling over some obscure point.
However, the MSM would love a story showing how we have been conned, spent billions on carbon reduction, are forced to have 'non-jobs' in local government (carbon reduction policy officers) have extra taxes on petrol, subsidise the rich ( I don't have a million quid to build a wind turbine in my garden) and and and .... sorry I'm shouting/ranting.
the point is SOMEONE SHOULD SUE....
I'm confused as to why someone hasn't already...
Can I just take this opportunity to shamelessly plug my new website
which does feature the infamous Mann Hockey Schtick graph. Also
featuring a new Video Wall where a user can view some popular videos
about the climate & frauds, from various different sources, all on one page.
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Good Job "Bish", in covering the Graham Stringer Stuff at t' Parliament !
Latimer Alder
And if I may suggest some reading (if you haven't already).
'Surely You're Joking Mr Feynman', by Richard Feynman.
A MOST EXCELLENT SUGGESTION! It is must reading.
Don.
Thank you for your reply to my request above. Your comments about equal among caring people has a touch of King Solomon about it and yes, I am happy with what I am.
"Craic" eh, that wonderful onomatopoeic word taken from Irish and now used worldwide to indicate having fun!
Thanks also to Tim Channon for his ref to standing on the shoulders of giants. A point well said and taken on board.
Latimer Adler, I have heard of this book and will now seek it out. Here, I am surrounded by humour: cartoons by New Zealander Murray Ball whose Footrot Flats series is simply hilarious. My collection of over 80 P G Wodehouse have kept me amused for many years and other cartoons, particularly the Asterix the Gaul ones also.
Thanks again all of you.
Signing off.
RETEPHSLAW with a little pride.
RETEPHSLAW
Do come back for at least a visit.
Don
I haven't gone away and am still a loyal friend of the Bishop's Blog. Maybe I finished my earlier entry in such a way which conveyed goodbye.
Far from it. When I said signing off, I meant that I was just signing off on this thread. My apologies for the confusion.
One of these days, our inspirational leader, The Bishop, will be lauded alongside all those others who fought for the truth on global climate issues. It is going to be a long struggle as we all know.
But, it will happen.
And I will be there, I hope, waving my copy of HSI, yelling at the unbelievers:
"WE TOLD YOU SO"
You know what is going to happen then?
They will start spouting off about Global Cooling and how the ice over Manhattan will be half a mile thick.
And they will demand massive grants from governments to tell any lie they can get away with and we will all be back to square one and the computer models will be churning out stories of doom and gloom and death for everyone except them and and and....!
The only THICK things, will be them.
Al Gore will buy a Condo in Greenland.
Did you see an article on Greenland on TV in the last couple of days about drilling for oil up there? And how the locals are going to benefit from it.
Interesting that, for there to be oil there, there had to be forests there millions of years ago, and that meant they had warmth there, maybe even Global Warming, and eventually these forests had to rot, die and wait for the WHOLE STINKING PILE TO TURN TO OIL!
I bet they find steel mills, coal fired power stations when the ice melts ans they will say, see I told you so, industrialisation brings on Global cooling, then global warming, then Global..!
And this morning on SKY NEWS, they were rabbiting on about the Greenland ice melting and that wud mean the level of the oceans "could" rise 7 mtrs. They didn't say when but I expect they mean tomorrow. I live right beside an estuary in North County Dublin. Broadmeadow Estuary, up the road from Malahide. There is our house and garden, the road and then the Estuary. I ain't moving for no one, unless I win lotto. The 100 plus swans are across the road. The ducks, geese, Cormorants are my constant companions. In Winter, my garden is full of Goldfinch, Greenfinch, Blue/great/coal tits, Red polls, and occasionally blackcap, brambling, blackbirds and thrushes and goldcrest. You name it, I've got it in birds.
I'm still here and I know that you, PB, Latimer, Martyn, Dung to mention but 5 will be still here entertaining and educating us for the duration.
Me, I am trying to write a Limerick for Dung. Can't work out too many words that rhyme with Dung though, so s/he picked well.
I have come up with Rung and Sung (past tense of Sing) and Well Hung but otherwise I plead defeat.
Peter
Stay true all of you bishop-ophiles.
I have a glass of white wine in the lounge now for half an hour. It is suffering from global warming by now.
Goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the Global Warming Buggers bite!
RETEP,
Surely you can use tongue, or young.
Maybe even flung, stung, strung, swung, lung...but I think I'm overreaching now.
More hysterical dead horse flogging at the Guardian/Observer:
A dark ideology is driving those who deny climate change
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/01/climate-change-robin-mckie
We must restart the fight against global warming
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/01/climate-change-editorial
Very OT.
Well I've been away for a couple of days and then got involved in one of the consequences of our idiotic climate change policy, namely renewable energy schemes. In this case, through the Renewable Obligation Scheme, huge (and I mean huge, the profits are potentially mind-boggling) subsidies (paid out of our electricity bills) are given to the developers of anaerobic digester (AD) plants. Now there is nothing wrong with turning animal and vegetable waste into energy and fertiliser, but it has to be done sensibly, at the right scale and in the right location. In this instance, a farmer in the middle of the most rural part of Devon is seeking to build an enormous AD facility (in essence a large chemical factory) on his farm right next to a small and peaceful hamlet. He will get rid of a small quantity of his own farm waste (chicken sh*t etc) but will import abbatoir waste, dead animal waste, blood products, food processor plant waste, milk waste and other farm waste from a large area of Devon. The waste will be transported in large articulated trucks along roads and lanes that in many places were built for horses and carts (anyone familiar with Devon will know what I am talking about) and through peaceful villages and hamlets.
The locals learnt about the proposal at the last minute and had to get an opposition group up and running and up to speed in a matter of a few days. Needless to say, they were devastated at the news and cannot believe this could happen to their quiet little community. In our wonderful democracy they cannot rely on protection from their local representatives, since the decision will be made by councillors in distant Exeter, who care little about a few hundred folk in a remote part of their constituency. It was amazing to see the will and determination of the locals to defend their way of life against this external threat. Many of them are working till the early hours of the morning on the opposition and it has taken over their lives. The good thing is it brings most of these communities closer together. The bad thing is, it devastates their lives and can be divisive in that the farmer(s) involved will forever be hated by the rest of the community for their greed and lack of care for their neighbouring community.
All this and more (wind farms sited next to unsuspecting communities) because of supposed "climate change". We must fight harder against this scam.
Sorry about his rant, but this AGW nonsense and its impacts make me so furious.
Latimer Alder: " 'Surely You're Joking Mr Feynman', by Richard Feynman. A wonderful book...from one who would have hated to be called a Giant of Science."
Yes, he detested that sort of thing - his Nobel prize for example. Yet he is up there among the physicists who gave us our understanding of the world - Archimedes, Newton and Einstein.
He'd certainly have had some words to say about "climate scientists". They fit his description of people who are going through all the motions of "doing science" except for the most important bit - avoiding kidding yourself when the results seem to be what you feel they should be.
http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.pdf
Harold W, Thanks for your comment. I was tongue in cheek with my above comment on Dung and in fact had other words already in mind as you suggest. Really, I just wanted to write in the blog the two words Well Hung in such a way that a moderator wouldn't give me the snip...OUCH. Also my ref to coal fired power stations under the Greenland ice was supposed to be humorous. The AGW people don't like satire and by the way, Dung I respect you and your contributions so please excuse my weak attempt at humour.
RETEP -
Sorry, that went right over my head. However, you succeeded with your subversion! On the other hand, I *did* notice your bird reference, which also snuck through. For shame, young man!
Where's that nun with the ruler when you need her?